Mandarin QT?

NedFlounders

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I read an older post by a team RC Member "Snorvich" saying that you do not need to QT mandarins because they have a slime coating that protects them.

I am not disagreeing or calling him out on this, I just want facts before I decide to not QT a fish for the first time.

This post was back in 2008. Is this still legitimate?

Mandarins do not have to be quarantined. They have a slime coat and are highly resistant to parasites.
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Original thread:
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1492650
 
The real problem is that QTing in a clean tank will likely starve it. A lot of times they are already half starved when you get them. And, yes, they still have a slime coat making them much more resistant to parasitic infection.
 
QTing all fish IMO is necessary. However feeding a mandarin in a QT tank is tricky. I have had success in getting a mandarin to eat processed food by making a sticky paste mixture of mysis, brine and pellets. Then spreading the paste to the side of a small juice glass, turning off all flow and placing it in the tank.
 
in John Tullock's book, Natural Reef Aquariums, he has a picture of a mandarin covered with ich!!
 
in John Tullock's book, Natural Reef Aquariums, he has a picture of a mandarin covered with ich!!

resistant does not mean immune.

mandarins, dragonets in general, are supposed to be less inclined to contracting these parasites due to the aforementioned slime coat.

as with anything though, what you choose to do depends on your risk tolerance. as other posters have noted, having them survive a QT period in bare tanks is pretty much a no go. the argument could be made that you could try feeding them multiple times a day, but there are some big assumptions being made there. the first being that the mandarin will take the food you offer, the second being that it would be enough to sustain them.

my preferred method of QT for dragonets is a fully cycled tank with live rock. in my rig this is my grow out system. any dragonets, and some other difficult to feed fish like Rainford's Gobies etc..., skip the normal tank transfer process and go directly to grow out. here there is enough rock and substrate for them to graze on while i do a lengthy observation period.

now when i didn't have this grow out system up, i rolled the dice on my first mandy and placed her directly in to the main tank. this was the only fish i've done with this, luckily it worked out. as always, your mileage may vary.

so tldr; due to the complications with their feeding requirements, and their physiology (specifically the need to constantly be eating as opposed to one or two large meals during the day), i feel the best solution for my set up is to bypass my typical QT procedures. again, your mileage may vary, so please decide what works best for your set up, and know that either way there is risk involved. it is my personal belief that there is less risk doing some form of bypass to the "normal" QT regimen, than the risk to the mandarin trying to keep it alive during a standard QT protocol.
 
It is a fish I do not believe should be quarantined. It will likely kill the fish. They are far less likely than other fish to contract the pest because their bodies have the consistency of jello, and if healthy, they slime massively, preventing it taking hold. If not healthy or if put into water that is off in alkalinity, all bets are off. They do pick up sand grains in their slime and sometimes scare novice owners who believe the fish has ich---but a few hours of observation will show it was just sand, that has moved or dropped off entirely. If it doesn't---well, it's ich.

Because they cannot survive, either, in an immature tank lacking pod production, it means you may well have other fish by the time you acquire a mandy or other dragonet. This is a calculated risk, where the hazard is fairly low, but not entirely absent. I say if you're not willing to run it, stay away from this species.
 
their slim coat is not in their mouth and gills, a place ich and velvet are often found. not qt is a mistake, plain and simple. look at the poll, most don't qt, but that does not make it right not to qt. if you're willing to take the risk, don't qt, but the risk is still the same: mandarin or tang!!
 
but the risk is still the same: mandarin or tang!!

i would strongly disagree with this statement. not all fish are created equal in regards to disease susceptibility. heck, not even all humans are created equal, and we're all the same species.
 
i would strongly disagree with this statement. not all fish are created equal in regards to disease susceptibility. heck, not even all humans are created equal, and we're all the same species.

the issue is not whether it kills the fish, the issue is if it spreads ich, velvet, or other to the display tank? most likely ich is not going to kill a mandy, but having a single trophont on gill tissue is the same whether it is a mandy or a tang....your risk not mine!!

i plan on a red mandy in the near future, not going to risk fish i have had for 5 years because of a thicker slime coat.....
 
As above. Don't conflate resistance w/ immunity.

I get my fish from a local guy who does the quarantine so I don't have to worry about them starving. Look up exotic reef creations--believe they ship too. Details of his quarantine procedure is on his site. I think he starts w/ fat, plump, mandarins and goes from there feeding algaebarn pods. Prices compare to DD but there can be a wait. Believe mandarins run about $45-50 (never seen one on DD).
 
Mandarin QT?

Why not get captive breed ones that way it's in a sterile system? Didn't ora started breeding them?
 
Why not get captive breed ones that way it's in a sterile system? Didn't ora started breeding them?

I heard a rumor they quit bothering with mandarins. Apparently there are more people who say they will pay a premium for sustainable and less-disease riddled fish, than there are willing buyers for a $50 mandarin when a $12 one is available at the lfs.

I just peeked at the orafarm site and the dragonets I looked at were "unavailable," could just be sold out I guess.
 
I didn't QT mine. He was a rescue though and was about the size of a tooth pick.

I never buy fish from Petco but I stopped in there to get Ocean Nutrition flakes and pellets and "rescued" a brown scooter. I know there are mixed feelings on this and I hate the store personally, but the little guy was dying. No quarantine ,straight in the tank he now has a fat belly..... and he loves pellets
Oh yea.... all the other fish were covered with ich.
 
I never buy fish from Petco but I stopped in there to get Ocean Nutrition flakes and pellets and "rescued" a brown scooter. I know there are mixed feelings on this and I hate the store personally, but the little guy was dying. No quarantine ,straight in the tank he now has a fat belly..... and he loves pellets
Oh yea.... all the other fish were covered with ich.

New one just opened up south of me. Both hippos they had are likely dead days after store opened. One was laying on its side, curled up like a pringle. I thought about buying it but my qt is full and it said temporarily unavailable. I was sad and mad at the same time. The one north of me has a nice established system. Haven't seen any diseases though I have seen one or two casualties that didn't seem disease related.
 
New one just opened up south of me. Both hippos they had are likely dead days after store opened. One was laying on its side, curled up like a pringle. I thought about buying it but my qt is full and it said temporarily unavailable. I was sad and mad at the same time. The one north of me has a nice established system. Haven't seen any diseases though I have seen one or two casualties that didn't seem disease related.

The only fish I would even consider from Petco would be a Mandarin....
 
The only fish I would even consider from Petco would be a Mandarin....

That sucks. My one up north has been extremely good. Probably helps that they have a reefer working there. I've about sworn off the closest LFS to me. Gonna stick with petco and the other LFS near me.
 
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