Manifold off of drain line.. what do you guys think?

[leveldrummer]

I have a BK skimmer which is besides the point as it was stated as a pun and if I think about it germany lists liters not even gph...back on track though the systems total gph processing filtration is not based on the skimmer alone and if your only doing this good luck

Everyones setup is different, MY setup is simply a skimmer, and a small media reactor that processes much slower then my skimmer.

What filtration do you have that will benefit from putting water through your sump faster then your skimmer can process it? Do you have a series of sponges or filter socks? I dont think you do because you already said you dont. What else is the systems total gph processing filtration based on? You said you want to educate people, well lay it out there.

 

[marke]

Boy. You guys are having fun! Kind of like the xbox war game my kid plays. I might join this battle brawl but I will wait for the beer to work. Lol

 

[leveldrummer]

Boy. You guys are having fun! Kind of like the xbox war game my kid plays. I might join this battle brawl but I will wait for the beer to work. Lol

I just dont like being told over and over again that Im passing out misinformation for giving my opinion, or being called "grasshopper" or being told to recheck my education or other such garbage. There are many ways to get the same results in this hobby.:wave:

 

[Bandomo]

Matt, I think you're a huge asset to FMAS and fellow hobbyist. Especially when dealing with anything acrylic. Gotta be honest thou, your comments are coming across pretty harsh and condescending.

 

[KnownStrangeR]

I'm doing my senior design project on Waste water operations and process design I'm getting a pretty good laugh out of some of the things being said in this thread.

The first process in water and wastewater processing (other then flow attenuation) is screening. This is usually followed by settlement and flocculation/coagulation chambers. By the time the water is hitting reactor media it has already been pretreated with bare minimum of screening for SS. Stating that running a tank without filter socks will not impact the rate at which you would have to change your media is a wildly inaccurate claim in applications of most medias which rely heavily on available pore spacing. If you fail to mechanically screen the larger particles they will get lodged in the available pores effectively blocking the opportunity for the media to collect smaller particles thus requiring more frequent media changes.

If you run your manifold off of the drain lines you'll be running material through the reactor before screening/filtration. If you run in from the return side it will have one more process (two if you count skimmer water) before entering the media. Based on what they're doing in WWTPs I'm studying, that is the approach i'd recommend

 

[Biggar]

Lets be honest here. The best way the manifold will work, is how it was done in your tank.

Its almost like you have to stick up for your tank, because its family. ( ;

 

[mrx66699]

. Stating that running a tank without filter socks will not impact the rate at which you would have to change your media is a wildly inaccurate claim in applications of most medias which rely heavily on available pore spacing.

+1 agreed Mike.....Media being spent at certain rates was not the argued position. That is different in every situation....Clogging of the reactor was and factual monitoring was the support that was given that in almost 2 years never has anything ever clogged....or clogged sooner as was stated and how can we even put a definitive time stamp on what is considered sooner. If you are changing out everything on a set maintenance schedule and things have never been effected then how can you say its clogging. Every system is setup different every reactor is different and husbandry from one system to another, types of feedings, amounts of feedings, water qualities, other medias in use will all play a part on the spending of media in the reactor and the clogging rate of the reactor in use. Now this is not a position that in a certain application where screening of larger particles prior to reaching a very fine screening of particles will not be effected without the proper prior screening or that those abilities are diminished its simply stating the factual evidence that in this application prior screening has not had an effect on the ability of the reactors flow.

 

[mrx66699]

Matt, I think you're a huge asset to FMAS and fellow hobbyist. Especially when dealing with anything acrylic. Gotta be honest thou, your comments are coming across pretty harsh and condescending.

Your prolly absolutely correct on this and ld I will have to apologize if you felt offended as that was not the initial intentions. Im sure you prolly have a beautiful setup also and what is working for you is best for your situation please feel free to offend if need be I wont take it harsh ....good luck with your setup....

 

[leveldrummer]

+1 agreed Mike.....Media being spent at certain rates was not the argued position. That is different in every situation....Clogging of the reactor was and factual monitoring was the support that was given that in almost 2 years never has anything ever clogged....or clogged sooner as was stated and how can we even put a definitive time stamp on what is considered sooner. If you are changing out everything on a set maintenance schedule and things have never been effected then how can you say its clogging. Every system is setup different every reactor is different and husbandry from one system to another, types of feedings, amounts of feedings, water qualities, other medias in use will all play a part on the spending of media in the reactor and the clogging rate of the reactor in use. Now this is not a position that in a certain application where screening of larger particles prior to reaching a very fine screening of particles will not be effected without the proper prior screening or that those abilities are diminished its simply stating the factual evidence that in this application prior screening has not had an effect on the ability of the reactors flow.

We are talking clogging of the media, not the reactor filling with detritus so it is clogged shut.

Why haveny you answered my question about what other filtration your tank has that requires more flow then your skimmer? Im honestly curious. You seem to be willing to teach.

 

[wetdiver]

matt, i think you're a huge asset to fmas and fellow hobbyist. Especially when dealing with anything acrylic. Gotta be honest thou, your comments are coming across pretty harsh and condescending.

+1

 

[240special]

Gotta be honest thou, your comments are coming across pretty harsh and condescending.

+2 honestly I refrained from commenting because of this.

 

[wetdiver]

Nick,

I run my GFO, carbon reactor, Calcium reactor and sump flow (i have a pipe pointing directly to the sand to blow any debri from the bottom of the sump) using the return pipe. I did it this way so no debri can get in the reactors and cousing the pipes to clogged.

your return will bring debri from the tank and will need to to be clean and filter prior to running it by your reactors if not if will get clogged.

My return pump can push 3600 GPH and is enough to push water to the tank and the reactors.

i also, recommend adding a valve on the return and the supply so you can adjust the flow and minimized the GPH going thru your system and it will prolong the live of your pump. (it won't work as hard).

FYI: yes i do have the skimmer in the return side and i don't have to worry about micro bubble. The Skimz pump pushes the water from the skimmer at the bottom and it has a gate valve that control the flow coming out. i also have the gate valve pointing at the back so any bubbles will rise in between the baffle.

 

[nick12881]

That's a great idea to keep the detritus stirred up.

 

[KnownStrangeR]

+1 agreed Mike....

It' Matt :wavehand:

And media exhaustion is not indicated by a clogged reactor. I bet if you measured your outlet concentrations you will see a large difference in times. When the pores get clogged you get increased head pressure through the reactor but in most cases the flow continues at a fairly relative rate, thus "my media is okay because my reactor doesn't clog" actually isn't a good way to think about it.in treatment facilities once a concentration is hit a backwash cycle occurs or in our case media replacement. Flow rates are a completely different factor

 

[leveldrummer]

It' Matt :wavehand:

And media exhaustion is not indicated by a clogged reactor. I bet if you measured your outlet concentrations you will see a large difference in times. When the pores get clogged you get increased head pressure through the reactor but in most cases the flow continues at a fairly relative rate, thus "my media is okay because my reactor doesn't clog" actually isn't a good way to think about it.in treatment facilities once a concentration is hit a backwash cycle occurs or in our case media replacement. Flow rates are a completely different factor

Thank you for stating what I have been trying to say better then I could.:beer: