Mate for C. interrupta

House of Fins will be here on Monday to drop off all packing materials and O2...I will be moving fish out of the dt then and hopefully on Tuesday will start moving both qt tanks into the dt...the flameback pair and 1 joc will remain in the 125 qt until they ship to Karen...

Karen, the jocs are around 1.25 - maybe 2 inches, is there a size you want or don't want? They are all beautiful but the dominant one is striking....
 
humaguy said:
House of Fins will be here on Monday to drop off all packing materials and O2...I will be moving fish out of the dt then and hopefully on Tuesday will start moving both qt tanks into the dt...the flameback pair and 1 joc will remain in the 125 qt until they ship to Karen...

Karen, the jocs are around 1.25 - maybe 2 inches, is there a size you want or don't want? They are all beautiful but the dominant one is striking....
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Hey Ted, You should keep the striking joc! And if one of the other two seems to get along with him better than the other you should keep that one as well so you have a nice pair. Then we can have a little friendly competition for who gets a spawn first! And I'll have the pair honeymooning in Hawaii! :spin2:
 
paka said:
Hey Ted, You should keep the striking joc! And if one of the other two seems to get along with him better than the other you should keep that one as well so you have a nice pair. Then we can have a little friendly competition for who gets a spawn first! And I'll have the pair honeymooning in Hawaii! :spin2:
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haha, okay...
 
Just want to let you all know that Faith is doing great. :spin1: She finished her first week of quarantine and moved into an aquarium today for the next part of quarantine which will be a prazipro treatment followed by a chloroquine treatment. She looks fantastic and probably doesn't need this protocol but better safe than sorry!

She is so well adapted that I haven't introduced a clownfish friend for her yet. From her current tank she can now see the other fish in the room and although she has been a bit timid the last few hours after moving in she's a different animal at feeding time! I might just lose a finger!:lol2:

I hope to get some video tomorrow after work and with Hawaiian time it should be here for you to see on Friday morning.

:fish1:Karen
 
great news Karen!!

Do you have information on the prazipro and chloroquine treatment? Think this would be great info for everyone.

thanks
Dave
 
Well I took a short video in quick time and I can't download it here so tried You Tube and can't even got on there to upload! So frustrating! I will try again with someone in the know hopefully tomorrow....

In the mean time here's my quarantine protocol as requested by Rare Angels.
For fish that look fine, I start out with formalin baths. The fish gets one 45 minute bath every third day for a total of three baths. The bath is 1 ml of 37% formalin in 1 gallon of salt water. Aerate well during the bath and move the fish to a new holding tank with new clean water when done. If I am starting with a fish that has visible external parasites I will give a fresh water bath first then continue with formalin baths.

Prazipro is done as directed on label which is basically 5ml prazipro per 20 gallons of saltwater and this can be done in an established aquarium. Treatment is 5 to 7 days with one time dose. I have read a lot for and against these kinds of wormers for fish and I'm not sure that it is really helping but it doesn't hurt and the fish can be treated in the aquarium without much stress so I include it in my protocol.

I usually do not include chloroquine since it is hard to get and expensive but I highly recommend it if there is a possibility of Amyloodinium. I have learned from several helpful and very experienced people that interrupta are known to harbor external parasites and that is why Faith will get a chloroquine treatment even though she looks great. From my own experience I have only had one outbreak of Amyloodinium which I believe came from a fresh clam that I was feeding to new bandit angles almost three years ago. Fabio was in the tank with them and it was chloroquine that saved Fabio. I still buy fresh foods for my fish but I now always freeze them for a couple of days before feeding. Chloroquine can also be used in the aquarium and does not seem to stress the fish in any way. I use it at 10 mg per liter for 21 days and have had no problem with water quality.

Sorry about the video. I will try to get it posted here. Faith is no longer timid in her new tank and acts like she owns the place!
 
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Wow...what a protocol Karen! I guess I'm on the other side of the spectrum. I'm so scared to medicate new fish because I assume they're so stressed when they come in, and thus have a weakened immune system. My whole theory is I try to get them in my tank(in my refugium, away from the rest of my other fish population) in an unstressed atmosphere as soon as possible, which then in turn strengthens their immune system and enables them to fend off sicknesses such as ich. I feel most fish are lost to stress anyway, qt'd or not.

I've never had a tank wipe out disease break out before(knock on wood) but I have lost new fish...But actually never to ich. I figured I'd probably would have lost them in a medicated qt tank anyway so why risk stressing them even more through medication. I am very unfamiliar with the medications you use Karen. And I think copper is more destructive than beneficial to fish.

If a fish looks as healthy as Faith did at the wholesalers...I would rather qt her in an unmedicated tank to make sure she's healthy than to risk medicating a healthy fish otherwise...am I alone is this thought???
 
Awesome protocol Karen. When speaking with Kevin Kohen, he pretty much has the same routine, cupramine as well, depending on the fish. I've done very well since adopting such a protocol, with my butterflies.
 
I must also note the one new fish that I regret losing was Frank's last captive hybrid resplendent cherubfish. It did well for a few week then it got some type of intestinal infection that made its abdomine balloon up. I'm sure medication would have helped that case, but alas...I didn't know which type to use and there was no way I could've gotten it out of my dt.
 
I've never medicated my fish, either. Even when my tank had Ich when I was a newbie, I used hypo to treat my fish. I'm thinking of using prazipro from now on.
 
imo, qt and a rigorous qt procedure is the best thing you can do for the health of your system..while some may not adhere to one as wicked as Karen's, even a basic one can help...I do fresh water dips, prazi, and cupra....form only if it looks necessary and have never used chloro...
I also believe in lots of water changes during qt and do more on them prob than my dt...lastly, time is a huge factor...I leave my fish in qt for a min of 8-10 weeks and often longer, patience is huge and this can't be skipped or rushed...just my measly .02 ;)
Karen, thank you for sharing this valuable routine...
 
Im a big QT guy as well but I keep mostly wrasses and I hate using copper on them. Prazi is routine and I also have nitrofuracin green on hand and quinine sulphate. The quinine sulphate is a little rough on them but Ive had a coupe copper resistant strains over the last year and dont trust copper like I used to. Ive had such a better track record with QT and really feel the time alone is just what the fish need to be at their best and learn to eat.
 
WayneL333 said:
Wow...what a protocol Karen! I guess I'm on the other side of the spectrum. I'm so scared to medicate new fish because I assume they're so stressed when they come in, and thus have a weakened immune system. My whole theory is I try to get them in my tank(in my refugium, away from the rest of my other fish population) in an unstressed atmosphere as soon as possible, which then in turn strengthens their immune system and enables them to fend off sicknesses such as ich. I feel most fish are lost to stress anyway, qt'd or not.

I've never had a tank wipe out disease break out before(knock on wood) but I have lost new fish...But actually never to ich. I figured I'd probably would have lost them in a medicated qt tank anyway so why risk stressing them even more through medication. I am very unfamiliar with the medications you use Karen. And I think copper is more destructive than beneficial to fish.

If a fish looks as healthy as Faith did at the wholesalers...I would rather qt her in an unmedicated tank to make sure she's healthy than to risk medicating a healthy fish otherwise...am I alone is this thought???
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I have to agree with you Wayne that Faith is a super healthy looking fish and the fact that she has such a great mellow attitude is part of why I'm going through with the whole quarantine. At the start of this project I was worried about having such a high end fish in my care that is owned by everyone and I thought a lot about what her quarantine would be. I decided on this route for this species but I also planned that if she looked stressed at all anywhere along the way I would change the plan. I believe that avoiding mental stress is a huge part of getting a new fish to settle in well and each individual is different. What you are doing certainly works and after having received Faith from your care I might be swayed to change.

I also think that having the reef tanks that you all have really helps in that there may be organisms that consume parasites at different stages of their life cycles and really help with the overall health of the system. That is a much more natural system than what we are allowed to keep in Hawaii.

I should also note that I do keep nitrofuracin green on hand and use it if a fish has been needled for decompression, but otherwise only use it if needed.
I've always been fearful of using any type of copper product because I don't feel confident in the amount that is in the tank. I think of copper as mainly combatting Amyloodinium (which I don't usually see in fish caught locally in Hawaii) and for me the Chloroquine replaces the copper.

I also wonder if most of us usually get our fish from the same place and our individual quarantine methods have evolved into what works best for the fish we get coming from those specific stores/wholesalers. Just a thought.

Still trying to get that video up.....
 
SDguy said:
Awesome protocol Karen. When speaking with Kevin Kohen, he pretty much has the same routine, cupramine as well, depending on the fish. I've done very well since adopting such a protocol, with my butterflies.
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Kevin has also recommended General Cure, which is metro and prazi, on my more sensitive guys like femi and my interruptus. Other than that, I still run the rest of my fish thru a standard Cupramine treatment but only after having allowed to settle in the qt for a couple of weeks. Knock on wood, no probs yet.
 
The guys at National Fish Pharmacy also recommended metro/prazi to me for sensitive fish, up to this point I never have used the metro. Good to hear it from another source though. I found the nitrofuracin green to be useful for fish that have come in breathing really hard but don't seem to be responding to prazi. I've hd two come in this year that are breathing hard and then act like they are gonna die when prazi is added. All I can think is they are getting burned gills from their shipping bags and the prazi is irritating it more. After a ten day nitrofuracin green treatment both fish tolerated prazi like normal. I would love to hear some of you guys/gals thoughts on this. I know we're getting off course a bit but that's really my favorite part of this thread. Great group to have a chat with :)
 
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