Meredithi or Scribbled

[tcmfish]

I say keep your current fish, one because they are nice fish, and two because it is a model citizen in your reef so far.

As far as another fish, if you really like the scribbled then I would get it, BUT I think with sexually dichromatic fish like these angels you won't really appreciate either species unless you have a pair. The personifers get an awesome mask in the male, and the male scribbled has an intricate body pattern.

That being said, it doesn't seem like you want another personifer... and finding a pair of scribbleds that are reef safe may be a challenge.

I'd get another personifer.

 

[bullitr]

I won't keep this on a reef unless you have SPS only tank.
Also I might be a hybrid too because all of the baby personifer I have seen doesn't look like that

 

[CenterConsole]

I love the scribbled but from experience, raising juvi angels and watching them change is truly rewarding. Glad LA took care of the difference for you, I'd expect nothing less from them.

 

[cmaxwell39]

I say keep your current fish, one because they are nice fish, and two because it is a model citizen in your reef so far.

As far as another fish, if you really like the scribbled then I would get it, BUT I think with sexually dichromatic fish like these angels you won't really appreciate either species unless you have a pair. The personifers get an awesome mask in the male, and the male scribbled has an intricate body pattern.

That being said, it doesn't seem like you want another personifer... and finding a pair of scribbleds that are reef safe may be a challenge.

I'd get another personifer.

Thanks for your input. I really don't think I have enough room in my tank for another large angel. It is the a 150 (72x24x20 same footprint as a 180, but four inches shorter.) I already have nearly 20 fish in this tank. While a lot of them are flasher wrasses, and smaller fish, I do have two tangs (whitecheek and Kole.) Just worried about bioload, otherwise having a pair of angels might be a possiblilty.

If I were to pair them, would I look for a larger fish to put with the one I currently have, or would I need to wait for this one to mature a little to see if I have a male or female? (do they change sexes, or are they either male or female their entire life)?

I won't keep this on a reef unless you have SPS only tank.
Also I might be a hybrid too because all of the baby personifer I have seen doesn't look like that

My tank is a 100% SPS reef, so I am not overly concerned with coral decimation. I do not have any softies or LPS that it could go after.

I hadn't considered it being a hybrid. What might it hybridize (I think that is a word) with? That would actually be really cool, as it would make it very unique. Would be really interesting to see what kind of colors develop.

I love the scribbled but from experience, raising juvi angels and watching them change is truly rewarding. Glad LA took care of the difference for you, I'd expect nothing less from them.

I agree. That is one of the reasons to buy a fish so small was to be able to watch its colors change as it matured.

And yes, while some people complain about the price of fish on LA, especially DD, their customer service is one of the reasons that I will gladly pay a little more for a fish. Very few companies would have stood behind the sale 10 months later. Says a lot for the kind of company they run.

 

[tcmfish]

Thanks for your input. I really don't think I have enough room in my tank for another large angel. It is the a 150 (72x24x20 same footprint as a 180, but four inches shorter.) I already have nearly 20 fish in this tank. While a lot of them are flasher wrasses, and smaller fish, I do have two tangs (whitecheek and Kole.) Just worried about bioload, otherwise having a pair of angels might be a possiblilty.

If I were to pair them, would I look for a larger fish to put with the one I currently have, or would I need to wait for this one to mature a little to see if I have a male or female? (do they change sexes, or are they either male or female their entire life)?

I would get a smaller one. Angelfish are protogynous hermaphrodites, which means they are born female and have the ability to change to male later in life. Ideally I would get a juvenile as the adult will probably pay less attention to it.

Getting a larger fish, may cause problems as the one you currently have is the dominant angel in the tank right now. While it may not be exhibiting male coloration or even large enough to be a male, it probably won't want a competitor in it's territory.

As far as it being a hybrid, it is highly unlikely and I don't see any signs of it being a hybrid. The only thing that looks a little odd to me is the coloration of the yellow band behind the operculum, which is usually more white, but it looks like that could be a product of the picture because if you look closely at the pics there is a hint of white.

Just from the pictures of hybrid butterflyfish and angelfish I have seen, they usually exhibit quite dramatic and obvious color differences from either parent but usually (if you consider collection locale) can be identified by looking at characteristics they share with fish from that location.

 

[cmaxwell39]

Thanks again for the observation. The yellow band was full yellow when I recieved the fish. It is becoming less and less yellow and more and more white as the fish changes. It was just starting to show hints of white in the first couple of pictures posted (taken a few weeks after recieving the fish, while still in the QT).

Looking at more pictures of angels online, I would agree that it is probably not a hybrid. Thanks for all your input into how to pair it if I decide I would like to try to. At this point, I think I am going to hang onto this fish for a while and see if it grows on me a little more. If I end up keeping it I may try to pair it in the future.

 

[SaltWaterGuy08]

It is a False Personifer Angelfish. scribbled is more blue on the dorsal fins and it has more yellow around the face

 

[nonstopfishies]

I know this thread has been dead for a while, but glad I stumbled upon it. I was the guy who started a thread when we bought em trying to get more info. We were the only two with them. I still have mine, which started smaller than yours and has grown slower due to me feeding it a bit less while I was traveling for 4 months. But anyway...

Mine still looks about the same as when I bought it, but I believe has developed a bit of white on the gill plate. I need to get some new pics.

One thing I am wondering is how everyone knows it is a false? At the smaller sizes don't they look exactly like a True? The difference becoming the black stripe on the tail and difference in mask when they become much older. I guess we can't know for sure right now. I've read some good threads discussing this with very knowledgable people like Copps, etc.

 

[Mrscribbled]

Funny they had it listed as a scribbled, I purchased my scribbled at 1 and half inch in size and it had adult colors already.


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[angelfish boy]

I sent a message to Liveaquaria today. I will let you know what response I get from them. I have no doubt that they will make it right one way or another. They have always treated me very fairly.


I am not sure what I am going to do with the meredithi. While they are a good looking fish, I (actually my wife) was really wanting a scribbled. Since my tank is only a 150 (72x24x20) I don't think I have room for both, and the 14" mature size of the meredithi concerns me a little as well.

On the other hand, this angel gets along great with current tank inhabitants, and doesn't bother any corals (all sps tank). It might be tempting to keep a known entity rather than take a chance on something new.

Suggestions?

Could I buy it from you?

 

[nonstopfishies]

My personifer is now developing a black line in the tail...so now I am really surprised that I ended up with a different fish than you considering they came from the same batch.

 

[jnc914]

Maybe Copps can chime in here, but I am fairly certain that the False Personifer doesn't get the black stripe in the tail. At least, the pair I used to have never did. However, what you may actually have is a True Personifer; which would be an awesome deal from LiveAquaria DD and would likely cost about the same as the Scribbled juvie.

 

[CenterConsole]

True personifers get the black stripe in the tail, meredithi do not. Do you know where this fish was collected? Post some pics when you can!

 

[nonstopfishies]

Well true personifer females are going for 450+ on DD, so sort of a sweet deal. I will post some pics when I can. As far as I know, I agree the black line in the tail is a sure fire way to to know for sure.

 

[SDguy]

black smudge... which my Meredith got at one point... is not the same as a solid black stripe.

 

[cmaxwell39]

I purchased this fish ~10 months ago from Diver's Den. It was sold as a Scribbled angel (Chaetodontoplus duboulayi). Here is what it looked like at the time of purchase.

The second photo is just for size refrence. The fish was extremely small (1.75"). As it has matured over the last 10 months it has not developed the patterns that I was expecting, and I am now debating whether or not I was sold a Scrbbled or a false personifier ((Chaetodontoplus meredithi). Here are a couple of pictures of this fish today. He is currently 3.5-4".

What can you angel experts tell me about my fish? Thanks in advance.

Funny how things turn out sometimes. I have had this fish for 5+ years now and it is neither a meridithi or a scribbled. It is a true personifier. Snapped this picture with my phone this evening. Hope everyone enjoys.

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[randomfishguy85]

Its a very pretty fish. I'm glad you kept him

 

[cmaxwell39]

Thank you. It has been a real treat to watch this fish grow and change over the years.


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