Mhucasey's SPS obsession

[mhucasey]

I am learning a lot following along, Matt. Your sourcing of manganese and zinc, and making your own solution, is intriguing. I am not sure of my skills yet to free lance this stuff.
Can you tell me if one of these products is usable as manganese supplement? I like that it is already in liquid form.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_s...ganese+li,aps,409&rh=i:aps,k:manganese+liquid
Thanks again for all your work and sharing your results as you have.

I looked at those but I didn't feel confident that there was a pure and carefully calibrated solution without other additives.

 

[slavetonet]

Hi Matt,
Do you have a formula for the fluorine?
I am going to use sodium fluoride to supplement it.
Sodium fluoride = 41.98871 g/mol
fluoride = 18.9984 g/mol
works out to be 45.2464 %
The rest I don't know.

 

[Myka]

Thanks everyone! I am very pleased with the results so far

To catch everyone up to speed, I am dosing the following:

Net volume is 195gallons.

Every Day:
8 drops ProBioS
45mL NP Pro (diluted for dosing pump version)
4 drops Iodium
4 drops Flourine
8 drops Coral E
5 Drops MicroE
7 drops Manganese supplement
7 drops Zinc Supplement

every other day:
8 drops Coral A
8 drops Coral V
2 drops Strontium

Here and there I dose Coral B, I'm going to DIY this solution in the future. I will eventually mix up an all in one Micro-element supplement once I play around with the dosages some more.

I plugged in your net volume. Sorry, my brain doesn't wrap around it being on different pages. :facepalm: It looks like you're following directions on the bottles for the same ones I'm using...the A, V, and BioS. I'm already seeing color changes in the tips in just a few days, so I guess I better take a bunch of pics today. How much Zeolite are you using? I searched through your thread and couldn't find this info.

 

[JB NY]

Hi Matt,
Do you have a formula for the fluorine?
I am going to use sodium fluoride to supplement it.
Sodium fluoride = 41.98871 g/mol
fluoride = 18.9984 g/mol
works out to be 45.2464 %
The rest I don't know.

How much in mg/l or ppm are you trying to dose? What is your total system volume?

 

[spkennyva]

To catch everyone up to speed, I am dosing the following:


Every Day:
8 drops ProBioS
45mL NP Pro (diluted for dosing pump version)
4 drops Iodium
4 drops Flourine
8 drops Coral E
5 Drops MicroE
7 drops Manganese supplement
7 drops Zinc Supplement

every other day:
8 drops Coral A
8 drops Coral V
2 drops Strontium

Which of the above supplements would you consider the ones that yielded the greatest benefit? In other words, what is the minimal list from above that would still yield good growth and color improvements?

 

[slavetonet]

How much in mg/l or ppm are you trying to dose? What is your total system volume?

I am not 100% sure what dosage should I be dosing.
I am trying to make a solution of 100ml bottle.
Dosing 1 drop per 100 L of tank volume.

From what I know - Fluorine concentration in natural marine water is about 1.3 mg/l

Anyone can shed some light on this?
Obviously it is needed, or else Redsea, KZ and AF won't make it. :lol:

 

[Oldude]

Nice Matt, good information

 

[mhucasey]

Hi Matt,
Do you have a formula for the fluorine?
I am going to use sodium fluoride to supplement it.
Sodium fluoride = 41.98871 g/mol
fluoride = 18.9984 g/mol
works out to be 45.2464 %
The rest I don't know.

If you are dosing it at 1drop/100L tank volume daily to add 10% of the target amount you would dissolve 0.057463074g sodium flouride per 100ML water. I don't know the required replenishment rate though, so I don't know if that is too much per day or too little.

 

[mhucasey]

I plugged in your net volume. Sorry, my brain doesn't wrap around it being on different pages. :facepalm: It looks like you're following directions on the bottles for the same ones I'm using...the A, V, and BioS. I'm already seeing color changes in the tips in just a few days, so I guess I better take a bunch of pics today. How much Zeolite are you using? I searched through your thread and couldn't find this info.

I'm running 1L zeolites, 500Ml carbon, and 300ml Phosphate minus together in a upflow reactor.

 

[mhucasey]

Which of the above supplements would you consider the ones that yielded the greatest benefit? In other words, what is the minimal list from above that would still yield good growth and color improvements?

The essential things to dose for AF method:
Per Day:
8 drops ProBioS
45mL NP Pro (diluted for dosing pump version)
8 drops Coral E
every other day:
8 drops Coral A
8 drops Coral V

The biggest effect on the tank past that would be daily dosing of MicroE

 

[slavetonet]

If you are dosing it at 1drop/100L tank volume daily to add 10% of the target amount you would dissolve 0.057463074g sodium flouride per 100ML water. I don't know the required replenishment rate though, so I don't know if that is too much per day or too little.

Thanks Matt,
Not sure what the replenish rate. Hence I will just use my eyes and corals to check.
How else would you know when you dose your 4 drops of AF fluorine on a daily base?

Interesting to be playing with elements, as I have pretty much finished with Amino acids experiments - Troy Amino Forte (Racing horse amino) + L-Aspartic acids works very well for me. :fish2:

 

[MrineLfRlz]

Well I now have the absolute correct lighting and my parameters are all in check besides fighting with phos. which will be a thing of the past as soon as I get my L4 turf scrubber then I will have to come get more pointers from you about thriving colorful sps very nice job!

 

[Myka]

I'm running 1L zeolites, 500Ml carbon, and 300ml Phosphate minus together in a upflow reactor.

Ok thanks. I have some Zeovit zeolites laying around that I'll get into the tank this weekend. I'm not sure I'm keen to mix the medias though, are you concerned about the carbon moving around and rubbing dust off? I usually pack carbon tight. I could probably put some mesh in to keep the carbon tight and allow the GFO to tumble, but I'm not using GFO right now anyway.

 

[mhucasey]

Thanks Matt,
Not sure what the replenish rate. Hence I will just use my eyes and corals to check.
How else would you know when you dose your 4 drops of AF fluorine on a daily base?

Interesting to be playing with elements, as I have pretty much finished with Amino acids experiments - Troy Amino Forte (Racing horse amino) + L-Aspartic acids works very well for me. :fish2:

I know their reccomended dose for my tank is 7.5 drops per day, and I know it helps with blues and whites, so I watch those colors, hold the dose for a while, and then try a bit more or less and keep observing. I got the word from ReefVet a while ago that it was a useful element to dose, but I haven't had a chance to focus on its effects yet to dial in an ideal dose, so I'm just dosing at 1/2 mfr reccomendations still.

 

[mhucasey]

Ok thanks. I have some Zeovit zeolites laying around that I'll get into the tank this weekend. I'm not sure I'm keen to mix the medias though, are you concerned about the carbon moving around and rubbing dust off? I usually pack carbon tight. I could probably put some mesh in to keep the carbon tight and allow the GFO to tumble, but I'm not using GFO right now anyway.

There are some long term tanks that use this method and the zeolite reactor was a bit of a pain. You layer zeolites first, then the AF Carbon which is large pellets, then I put a piece of mesh on top of the carbon. P- is on top of the mesh and the flow keeps the P- fluidized. After changeout you just ramp up the flow over a few days, but then it's pretty much set and forget. Dump the whole thing every 4 weeks and refill. Debora was using 300ml each for her 90 gallon tank with huge success.

 

[mhucasey]

Well I now have the absolute correct lighting and my parameters are all in check besides fighting with phos. which will be a thing of the past as soon as I get my L4 turf scrubber then I will have to come get more pointers from you about thriving colorful sps very nice job!

I'm curious to see if the turf scrubber will be able to sustain algae in the system, algae just doesn't really grow much in mine despite the presence of phosphate and nitrate. Try to not focus too much on the numbers and look to see how the corals are doing, so far they are doing very well and your rock it's pretty clean.

 

[Myka]

There are some long term tanks that use this method and the zeolite reactor was a bit of a pain. You layer zeolites first, then the AF Carbon which is large pellets, then I put a piece of mesh on top of the carbon. P- is on top of the mesh and the flow keeps the P- fluidized. After changeout you just ramp up the flow over a few days, but then it's pretty much set and forget. Dump the whole thing every 4 weeks and refill. Debora was using 300ml each for her 90 gallon tank with huge success.

Yes, it seems to be working for people, though it goes against the laws of us finicky people who like things all laid out separate. :lolspin: I didn't realize though that Debora is only using 300 mL Zeolites. The AF Guide is fairly vague... 3.5 oz - 17.5 oz (100 to 500 grams) per 27 gallons.

 

[MrineLfRlz]

I'm curious to see if the turf scrubber will be able to sustain algae in the system, algae just doesn't really grow much in mine despite the presence of phosphate and nitrate. Try to not focus too much on the numbers and look to see how the corals are doing, so far they are doing very well and your rock it's pretty clean.

My tank looks good in pic i posted in the t5 thread because I just cleaned it out, this is what I'm dealing with right now before the t5 fixture switch besides just the cyano.
Slime!

 

[mhucasey]

Yes, it seems to be working for people, though it goes against the laws of us finicky people who like things all laid out separate. :lolspin: I didn't realize though that Debora is only using 300 mL Zeolites. The AF Guide is fairly vague... 3.5 oz - 17.5 oz (100 to 500 grams) per 27 gallons.

Yep I understand your issue, maybe if I had a better zeolite reactor I would have kept them separate. The combined approach will hopefully give me a more standardized approach without the variability I was getting with the zeolite reactor.

This is a nice setup from the standpoint of keeping the reactor cleaned every four weeks and being able to dump everything at once.

 

[Diesel3443]

Matt,

If you could check out my thread. from post 161 http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=24482627&postcount=161

Any ideas? Im stumped and the only thing I can think of is the stray voltage vs something