multiple haddoni carpets dedicated aquarium
- Thread starter Jadran
- Start date
Hopefully you have been provided or visualized for yourself some documentation beyond the provided pictures a few days post manual division. Most folks with a knife can replicate the pictured level of "success story."
Stretching it out a year with both halves surviving would be quite the accomplishment. I certainly hope folks find the trick to promote a full regeneration in Stichodactyla sp., but I have yet to see long term evidence of such manual division success in captivity.
All the best.
elegance coral
They call me EC
Mario,
If you are interested in the propagation of these anemones, you are setting up the perfect system to attempt it. Male haddoni's often spawn in captivity, and there's been cases of females releasing eggs in shipping bags. If you set up a system with multiple haddoni's, you have a good chance of having at least one male and one female. Given that sexual reproduction is the only known form of reproduction in this species, it only seems logical that this is where we should concentrate efforts of propagation. It's been done with H. crispa in captivity so why not haddoni?
If you are interested in the propagation of these anemones, you are setting up the perfect system to attempt it. Male haddoni's often spawn in captivity, and there's been cases of females releasing eggs in shipping bags. If you set up a system with multiple haddoni's, you have a good chance of having at least one male and one female. Given that sexual reproduction is the only known form of reproduction in this species, it only seems logical that this is where we should concentrate efforts of propagation. It's been done with H. crispa in captivity so why not haddoni?
Jadran
Member
unfortunately beside the fact that i know it lives I cant say i have anything i could use to elaborate healing processes or speak about it in any depths. Stuff that could be used as future references.
I have one recent photo, tank is going through rough times, cyano and all, most likely imbalanced due to the to much zeo experimentation..So its still alive, even in that kinda environment. For that reason I'll try to arrange to get it shipped next week and when i get it it will be easier to document anything and keep you guys updated.
elegance coral said:
well said, that sounds interesting and all, but i just lack time to play around the aquarium.. I making my daily bread by traveling the country.. coordinating shops and stuff so I'm hardly at home.. Low maintenance tanks only.
who knows, maybe in future if i manage to organise my time better.
Jadran
Member
few shots to keep you updated. I received it last Monday, week ago. It looks more or less fine..It was shipped to me, so it was pretty stressed on arrival: white slime over its mouths, which were turned inside out, deflated and similar signs of stressed anemone.. It attached itself to bottom, tentacles are sticky and so on.. Having in mind all it have been through looks good to me and recovering fine. Its close to 5 months that its been fragged and doing well.. I hear that other half is also doing good.
on this one you can see the fragged part, it rounded its mouth and grew some flesh around it, visible weaker comparing it to the other side of the disk but IMO still good sign of recovery
here is one shot focused on its mouth. Tight and in good shape without visible signs of stress related anomalies
thats it for now, as i stated earlier it is recovering. Ill be watching it closely and if i notice something interesting I'll just post it here.. Haven't fed it jet... I was planing to do it today, and dependable on its reaction to make some routine feeding strategy to rise its strength.
Red one haven't arrived jet.. hope to have it in my hands before c-mass..
on this one you can see the fragged part, it rounded its mouth and grew some flesh around it, visible weaker comparing it to the other side of the disk but IMO still good sign of recovery
here is one shot focused on its mouth. Tight and in good shape without visible signs of stress related anomalies
thats it for now, as i stated earlier it is recovering. Ill be watching it closely and if i notice something interesting I'll just post it here.. Haven't fed it jet... I was planing to do it today, and dependable on its reaction to make some routine feeding strategy to rise its strength.
Red one haven't arrived jet.. hope to have it in my hands before c-mass..
Best of luck with the new arrival and may yours be an early documented "success".
Cheers.
Cheers.
elegance coral
They call me EC
Lookin good! Do you plan on adding sand to the tank?
Pinkskunk
New member
i was gonna ask the same question. if you are going to do it, i would suggest you NOT use new sand. but i guess person with your expereince, i did not need to suggest that as you already know.
Best of luck to you especially the anemone!
Best of luck to you especially the anemone!
elegance coral
They call me EC
Why would you not use new sand? I wouldn't use anything but new sand.
Pinkskunk
New member
"new sand" is meant newly washed sands. it contain clorine from the washing water. the washing water could be cold, or hot, and not at tank temp.
i would add the sand, wait AT LEAST 1 or 2 days, then add the carpet back in. I WOULD NOT ADD THE SAND WHEN THE CARPET IS STILL IN THE AQUARIUM. But that's just me, i am a freak and want it as almost perfect for the carpet as i can.
when i donwsize my tank, i setup the new sand bed in the temporary holding tank and waited for 1 month before i xfer the carpets from the DT to the temp tank. my carpets settled right in like it's own home but just a different room
i would add the sand, wait AT LEAST 1 or 2 days, then add the carpet back in. I WOULD NOT ADD THE SAND WHEN THE CARPET IS STILL IN THE AQUARIUM. But that's just me, i am a freak and want it as almost perfect for the carpet as i can.
when i donwsize my tank, i setup the new sand bed in the temporary holding tank and waited for 1 month before i xfer the carpets from the DT to the temp tank. my carpets settled right in like it's own home but just a different room
fantastic to see a haddoni that has been cut and appears to be healing itself! I have seen so many threads saying it can be done but no pictures of the anemones months later. Thank you for documenting it for everyone. Im sure Anthony Calfo would be very pleased to see some pictures as well on his MD forum.
Jadran
Member
well, I was thinking to keep it bb for a while and to see how it goes. Have to move to another flat (again 
) in January so for now I'll just observe and if its moving endlessly when i relocate aquarium I might add some sand as well. Wouldn't go for just dead sand. If I'm forced to add it Id go for live aragonite..It is cycled already and ready to use so i think that way we could avoid some cycling, cianos and related dramas.
Matt, thx for kind words but as Scott said I'm not there just jet. It looks good and all but I'm not happy at all with its feeding response. Couldn't feed it yesterday so I'll hold my horses till It accept offered foods, and then again till it do it aggressively.. It could be that it is only shipping related but I remember Phil spoke about that also.. That his mertensii never ate so aggressively as it did before the cut... so we wait for this first, what do you guys feed em with?
) in January so for now I'll just observe and if its moving endlessly when i relocate aquarium I might add some sand as well. Wouldn't go for just dead sand. If I'm forced to add it Id go for live aragonite..It is cycled already and ready to use so i think that way we could avoid some cycling, cianos and related dramas. Matt, thx for kind words but as Scott said I'm not there just jet. It looks good and all but I'm not happy at all with its feeding response. Couldn't feed it yesterday so I'll hold my horses till It accept offered foods, and then again till it do it aggressively.. It could be that it is only shipping related but I remember Phil spoke about that also.. That his mertensii never ate so aggressively as it did before the cut... so we wait for this first, what do you guys feed em with?
Last edited:
Jadran
Member
little update for folks who might be interested. One month later since my last post. Haddoni is still alive and looks good. It is now some 6 months since it was fragged. It grew and accept foods. Not as vigorously as I would like but still it has some grip on it.
other clone seems to do ok as well. I tried to buy it off its owner to see how it does when i slice it up in future and offered nice bucks for it but he wouldn't give it away..Pity, he could buy at least 3 green carpets for that money..
other clone seems to do ok as well. I tried to buy it off its owner to see how it does when i slice it up in future and offered nice bucks for it but he wouldn't give it away..Pity, he could buy at least 3 green carpets for that money..
elegance coral
They call me EC
Looking good!:thumbsup: Thanks for keeping us updated.
Did you ever provide a sand bed for your haddoni? If you haven't, and you don't want to have a sand bed in the whole tank, you can take a tupperware container that is 4 or 5inches deep and fill that with aragonite. You can then position some liverock around the container to conceal it.
It will be interesting to see if your anemone is eating vigorously and growing rapidly say one year after the fragging took place. After all the failures fragging carpets, I hope your story is finally going to be a success. As Dr. Fautin was quoted earlier in this thread, it seems to be the exception, rather than the rule that carpets survive fragging. Best of luck with your anemone and please continue to keep us posted.
It will be interesting to see if your anemone is eating vigorously and growing rapidly say one year after the fragging took place. After all the failures fragging carpets, I hope your story is finally going to be a success. As Dr. Fautin was quoted earlier in this thread, it seems to be the exception, rather than the rule that carpets survive fragging. Best of luck with your anemone and please continue to keep us posted.
Jadran
Member
No not jet, but I decided do it after all. Plan is to add shallow layer over the bottom, I'll get it with my next shipping together with two new nems, macrodactyla and purple based riterri. hmm...If they arrive in the first place. I failed to get my hands on red and blue carpet. We ordered them together with all kinds of rare LPS and other interesting stuff and what we
got in boxes was bunch of dendronephthyas, gonios and other "keep me live if you can" crap. So much about reliability of respected Indonesian exporters and my haddoni project. After my failure to organize that multiple haddoni tank and parade over at Marine depot <b><a href="http://forum.marinedepot.com/Topic104211-13-1.aspx" target="_blank">thread</a></b> I was unsure if there was any sense to this topic any more. I think there is and for that reason as i stated earlier pity for the other clone for I would like to experiment with it. What i know by now it is that its healing, on much slower speed than lets say entacmea and i from what i see here it might take it another 6 months to fully recover. That being said i just think that future commercial propagating of these guys by division might be profitable if we have in mind how much money we paying for red and blue ones..
got in boxes was bunch of dendronephthyas, gonios and other "keep me live if you can" crap. So much about reliability of respected Indonesian exporters and my haddoni project. After my failure to organize that multiple haddoni tank and parade over at Marine depot <b><a href="http://forum.marinedepot.com/Topic104211-13-1.aspx" target="_blank">thread</a></b> I was unsure if there was any sense to this topic any more. I think there is and for that reason as i stated earlier pity for the other clone for I would like to experiment with it. What i know by now it is that its healing, on much slower speed than lets say entacmea and i from what i see here it might take it another 6 months to fully recover. That being said i just think that future commercial propagating of these guys by division might be profitable if we have in mind how much money we paying for red and blue ones..
elegance coral
They call me EC
I sincerely hope your anemone makes a speedy recovery. I'm sorry to hear that it may take another 6 months to completely heal. Hopefully with a little TLC it will surprise you and get better sooner.
As far as that thread goes, if Eric Barenman had any evidence to back up his claims, I would think he would have posted it. With not being able to substantiate his claims, he simply resorted to the tactics of a school yard child. Name calling, lying, and doing everything in his power to steer the conversation away from the fact that he could not back up his claims.
As far as that thread goes, if Eric Barenman had any evidence to back up his claims, I would think he would have posted it. With not being able to substantiate his claims, he simply resorted to the tactics of a school yard child. Name calling, lying, and doing everything in his power to steer the conversation away from the fact that he could not back up his claims.
Jadran
Member
Another month is past, jet another update..7 months since its been cut. When i came home today i had to take this shot to show it of, maybe to shed some light to unbelievers or just to show you guys how gorgeous my baby looks now. Taken with my crappy phone so not the best picture
Mouth still visibly off center but obviously an healthy specimen. After chit-chating with some folks who did the same to their carpets I gave up idea of feeding it heavily to speed up recovery. Obviously it does not work that way. Some logic I came up with is that its organs have been badly damaged by fragging so its just going to be the time, as long as it needs. My carpet lacks appetite for foods but I dont think fishes are really sad about that. Funny, that might be way to teach em to leave the fishes alone.
or just to show you guys how gorgeous my baby looks now. Taken with my crappy phone so not the best picture
Mouth still visibly off center but obviously an healthy specimen. After chit-chating with some folks who did the same to their carpets I gave up idea of feeding it heavily to speed up recovery. Obviously it does not work that way. Some logic I came up with is that its organs have been badly damaged by fragging so its just going to be the time, as long as it needs. My carpet lacks appetite for foods but I dont think fishes are really sad about that. Funny, that might be way to teach em to leave the fishes alone.
Similar threads
