My Breeding attempt - Perculas:

[jmadison]

rrcg that 'older pic' shows your clowns with a lot of black, then the current ones look to be completely different fish? What?

 

[rrcg50]

sorry for the confusion. i have 2 pairs. in 2 different tanks. one is breeding and the other is not. the ones with the black are deffinately true percs. the other pair were sold to me as true percs but i am informed that one is actually a occelaris. they look identical to each other except the ring around the eye. my male has the orange ring and my female has it on one side not the other. i did alot of staring yesterday to find that one out

 

[dazed]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13696267#post13696267 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by billsreef
Correct, and the current crop of "designer" clowns makes this even less reliable.



It's one of those "myths" that just exists among hobbyists, not something you'll find in any proper reference that will actually help you ID the fish

Bill; Thanks for the information.

 

[dazed]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13696808#post13696808 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by rkelman
I don't believe the Amquel thing.. Mine are getting stripes at 7 days.. and I use amquel until after meta when I put a sponge filter in. It maybe one of those things that becomes "fact" in our hobby without any actual studies.

I have read some posts that lead you to believe the same thing about amquel; and at the same time you can find information that matches yours so who knows; probably to many variables to nail down. After all we are all just trying to copy mother nature.

 

[billsreef]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13698491#post13698491 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by rrcg50
the other pair were sold to me as true percs but i am informed that one is actually a occelaris. they look identical to each other except the ring around the eye. my male has the orange ring and my female has it on one side not the other. i did alot of staring yesterday to find that one out

That pair is a classic example of why color and rings around the eye are meaningless in species differentiation between percs and occs

 

[dazed]

Alright good news Friday night my female laid a nice new BIG batch of eggs (drumroll please) on the tile. So it looks like in 10 days i will have another chance at trying to hatch them out with an airstone.

I have a question as well about gsm clowns?? My lfs has a small display tank set up by the cash register and it has a pair of gsm in it. The owner has offered them up to me for trying to get them to breed. They are currently not a breeding pair, i am not sure if they are even bonded at this point but she does tolerate him being in the tank with her.

I have a friend that has a 40g glass bowfront tank that i can just have so that's good. I have been thinking about splitting the 40g tank in half with a black divider (20g each side).; and placing the gsm on one side and maybe a pair of occ's. or black & white's on the other side.

Is that enough room for gsm to mate? & be happy??

 

[rrcg50]

my understanding on the gsm is that they should be in a 40 plus alone. if you divide it i would do a 75-25 split instead. or get a 55 cheap and split that. depending on the size of them

 

[FB]

Good luck with the tile.

Not sure about the GSM's, I have mine in a 10 and they have not spawned. However the water parameters have been everything but stable for them.

FB

 

[dazed]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13718133#post13718133 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by rrcg50
my understanding on the gsm is that they should be in a 40 plus alone. if you divide it i would do a 75-25 split instead. or get a 55 cheap and split that. depending on the size of them

Yeah i have read the same; but i don't always believe everything i read, lol. Interesting idea on the 75-25 split. I do have an empty 40g tank in my garage but i am trying to figure out a way to maximize space and have different pairs going. A dedicated 40 with just the gsm would be cool but would take up valuable space, i could raise 4 pairs of occ's in that same space choices, choices.

 

[dazed]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13718180#post13718180 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by FB
Good luck with the tile.

Not sure about the GSM's, I have mine in a 10 and they have not spawned. However the water parameters have been everything but stable for them.

FB

Thanks; i have not had real good luck so far with the tile method but i plan to try and really ramp up the bubble rate like rkelman's video shows maybe that will help. How long have your gsm been in the 10g?

 

[FB]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13718336#post13718336 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by dazed
Thanks; i have not had real good luck so far with the tile method but i plan to try and really ramp up the bubble rate like rkelman's video shows maybe that will help. How long have your gsm been in the 10g?

I believe april.

You may want to check out your market before going the GSM route. I recently talked to a breeder here and had one GSM nest of almost 800 survive. It said it took them almost 18 months after growout to sell them all as there was not much demand for them. From what I understand their nests can be in the thousands. They can aslo be very aggresive. Just ask agsansoo.

FB

 

[dazed]

So around 7 months then? Were they breeding before you got them or did you just pair them up and are playing the waiting game.

I sent agsansoo a pm with the tank size question as well.

 

[Atticus]

I housed a 5-6inch female GSM in a 20H and she bred like a champ. Huge nests every 10 days.

 

[dazed]

Atticus; Thank you for the information.
The pair that i am thinking about are much smaller at this point; she is probably around 1.5"-2" and he is 3/4"-1" for size.

She is a neat looking mis-bar but the yellow stripes on her are not real bright, the male has better yellow color on him.
They have not been breed yet but she seems "tolerant" of him due to the fact that he is alive in the same tank with her.

 

[rkelman]

Cool Dazed. Make sure when you pull the tile you replace it with exactly the same kind of tile immediately. (I put my new tile in before the old one ever leaves the tank. You may want to consider letting a batch or 2 go so they get into a routine of laying on the tile.. Just a thought. I'd probably ignore my advice and pull the tile tho

 

[FB]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13719393#post13719393 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by dazed
So around 7 months then? Were they breeding before you got them or did you just pair them up and are playing the waiting game.

I sent agsansoo a pm with the tank size question as well.

No they were not breeding. I got them for $40.00 so figured why not!

 

[dazed]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13721186#post13721186 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by rkelman
Cool Dazed. Make sure when you pull the tile you replace it with exactly the same kind of tile immediately. (I put my new tile in before the old one ever leaves the tank. You may want to consider letting a batch or 2 go so they get into a routine of laying on the tile.. Just a thought. I'd probably ignore my advice and pull the tile tho

I had thought about letting a batch or two go as well but, after her taking the 6 week break and all, well you know There is a nice size batch (for her) so i am going to give it a shot, the other thing is that she has laid on the tile before and then she would not, so i feel if i don't take this batch/chance she might have me trying the catcher again anyways.

 

[dazed]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13721248#post13721248 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by FB
No they were not breeding. I got them for $40.00 so figured why not!

That makes perfect sense to me.

 

[rEd86]

Chris,

I just caught up on your thread and I've got my fingers crossed for you. Hopefully this will be the time that everything comes together.

As others have pointed out, you're getting the experience each round and hopefully reducing/eliminating the factors that caused problems previous times.

You (and others that have given good advice on your thread) give those of us that want to try breeding fish hope that is something we too can do. It's something I plan on trying in another 6-12 months.

Good luck!

--Ed

 

[dazed]

Ed thanks for the nice words. I do have 8 little ones that are now over 100 days old; & just starting on their second stripes. My problem/issues as of late has been that my female stopped laying eggs for 6 weeks and all the other attempts so far for me have either ended with not catching the right night or time, rock fell over and lost a batch, etc. etc.

I to am hopeful that the nice batch in my reef right now does well and hatches without my previous problems.

If i can do this, anybody can.