my new fish need help

[nightfire]

hey guys i recently put my new clowns and blenny into my QT well im glad i did because my larger clown does in fact have ich....spotted it close to her mouth....my plan was to only keep em in there for a week and then transfer them,some of ya guys said that you just put them straight into your tanks with out QT.....well i hope ya'lls are ok,my question it,what should i do,i have copper and cab treat them with that,maybe do 2 or 3 doses a day til it reaches the recommended amount? so if it says put 4 drops total per day for every 10g for up to a week then i would do 2 drops in the morning and 2 at night or should i try hypo on them and if so then i dont know how too exactly other then droping the salinity slowly......point is my worst nightmare here,paid 30 bucks and i got ich...... checking again its hard for me to tell if its ich or maybe air bubbles due to my filter i have on my QT....please help

 

[nightfire]

hey guys i just read my own tited to my thread and want to say i didnt want to make it seem as if SA are selling fish with ich and whatnot, my clown looks like she has it which is 1 fish out of how many millions they sell......so again i appologize for a very crappy tittle on this thread,if i could edit it i would.....as i said though my clown looks like it has ich or air bubbles on it and its a bit hard to tell.......mods if ya can edit my thread tittle i would appreciate it and again any thoughts and comments are appreciated

 

[pelagic7]

Did you get it directly from them or from the store?

 

[CeeGee]

Not trying to discredit you but I find it VERY VERY hard to believe that a pair of clowns and blenny from SA have ich. I have been to their establishment and it is FIRST CLASS. Thousands upon thousands of fish and not a sick specimen to be seen. They are all captive bred and if they don't have ich it isn't going to magically jump into their system. I would imagine the captives and sustainable islands (or whatever it is called) are run on different systems.

Air bubbles and ich are two different things and making accusations against matt and crew is a pretty far jump when you can't tell the difference between the two.

are the fish twitching or glancing off of objects in the tank? If not I wouldn't suspect ich.

Or if the fish were put into the tanks at AC you may have a legit concern.

 

[andywe]

Ich is in fact something every fish has...it is whether it is active or not and typically develops or activates from stress. It may just be your tank triggered it.

Use Herbatan...copper contaminates your tank and is retained by the silicon..it is poison. So unless you want to junk your QT tank or only use it to treat it, go buy some herbtana and try that first. Several of us have used that with execellent results.

 

[nightfire]

Air bubbles and ich are two different things and making accusations against matt and crew is a pretty far jump when you can't tell the difference between the two.

are the fish twitching or glancing off of objects in the tank? If not I wouldn't suspect ich.

Or if the fish were put into the tanks at AC you may have a legit concern.

um no offence but if ya read my post then ya would see how i edited it to not look like im blaming them and asked mods to edit the tittle since i can not and i know what ich is vr bubbles,however if it were bubbles they were tiny and a tad hard to tell from inch but i dont feel like getting into this,im not thinking it was just bubbles...sorry if my tittle offended anyone but whatever i cant change whats done....MODS PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD....thanks

 

[CeeGee]

are the fish scratching or twitching though?

that would let you know for sure air bubbles would come off ich would not.

 

[nightfire]

they dont seem to be scratching on anything ...they wiggle their tails as they swim as normal... im thinking maybe if it is ich that just the stress of shipping to the store then back to the house and acclimation and into a new tank triggered the ich;if it is indeed ich.they seem ok for the most part though i notice on the bigger female se opens and closes her mouth to breath more i take it,i just did a 1 gallon water change,maybe it is too much ammonia in the water,im not sure and no i cant check it because the test i do have are older and most of em dont read right if at all,if i use it to check my tap water it actually shows i have ammonia and l try testing my rodi water which is shooting like 20ppm out of the di so yeah i neeed to replace the filters and such also here is a question and maybe a clue as to whats going on but my clown also almost always gose up to the surfice of the water,her mouth never toughing but is very close to it....so close that her dorso fin comes out the wayer...and again i want to say i didnt mean to make it sound like SA gave me ich i had mentioned the SA buy cause thats when i got the fish....i appoligise for how i worded it ...i saw how it looked after i made the post thats why i made a comment on my own thread to try and undo the mistake so to speak ...wish i could change the thread title...im very sorry for any misunderstandings it has caused.

 

[CeeGee]

that is cool man. I didn't mean to come off like a jerk in any way. I am just stating that SA is very reputable imo. They got it goin on. I would like to go back some day because it was that cool.

I would be more suspect to less than optimal conditions in your quarantine if you are unsure of your ammonia. And 20ppm out of the di :eek2: a common misconception is that quarantine should be run substandard to the main tank. They should in fact be fully cycled and have water quality that matches or exceeds the display with plenty of places for the fish to feel secure. After all you are trying to nurture them back to optimum health.

 

[nightfire]

yea i hear that,i think the guys in there are ok for the most part and i will do water changes on it more offten then usual being that im getting 20ppm out of my rodi and am hoping to get new fiilters and membrane for it in november and ill only be keeping them in QT till saturday unless they show signs of illness

 

[Pandarian]

Just curious, which clowns and blenny did you get?

 

[Fishboy42]

Ich is in fact something every fish has...it is whether it is active or not and typically develops or activates from stress. It may just be your tank triggered it.

I wouldn't normally comment on these threads, but I feel it might be helpful to insert a bit of information here. Saltwater "Ich" is caused by the ciliated protozoan Cryptocaryon irritans. It is a living parasite that irritates the fish and causes infection.

For a fish to have an infection, the protozoan must be present. It is possible to exclude this pathogen from an aquarium, system, or facility. In the case of a Cryptocaryon-free aquarium, no amount of stress will cause Ich to show-up on a fish (other bad things could happen of course!). It is also possible for a fish in an infected aquarium to remain healthy -- only showing signs of infection after a stressful event.

Think about malaria (or take your pick of pathogenic diseases) in humans; no amount of stress is going to cause you to come-down with malaria if Plasmodium isn't present (interestingly, both Ich and malaria are vulnerable to some of the same treatments!).

We regularly send-out live fish to be analyzed for specific pathogens and have yet to get a positive result from any fish in our hatchery facility. It's hard to prove a negative though, so we are always careful to keep stress low and monitor constantly.

I only say this because I feel that many of the MTRC members are friends. Mario, please imagine my reaction to reading your thread title after working hard to send a great order and for many years to build a successful business that hinges its reputation on quality animals, it is scary! If you have any questions about your fish, please feel-free to contact me or anyone at SA; we would be pleased to answer your questions or help you with a problem. We like to get feedback (good or bad) so that we can work to improve ourselves and our relationship with customers and hobbyists.

Matt

 

[Pickupman66]

matt,

Glad you jumped in here with some background information. we are very lucky to have suppliers such as yourself in our neck of the woods.

 

[nightfire]

Just curious, which clowns and blenny did you get?

i got one regular ocelaris clown and a thicker band ocelaris along with a sailfin blenny.....also matt awesome ya jumped in on this one too...i just now was looking at my clown and she does in deed have something and not air bubbles,she was wading in the water for a bit and shook franticly next to the smaller one as if she has ich or some other parasite.....to be safe should i drop the salinity in my tank to 1.015 and see if it gets better? and if so how much of a drop should i do a day.....the smaller clown seems fine and even hangs with her and the blenny also seems fine

 

[Pickupman66]

Mario. Maybe you should try to get a few photos up on here so we can look at it. also, dropping your salinity can be a dangerous thing if you cannot test it properly. I dont recommend doing it without a refractometer. otherwise, you are asking for trouble. also, if you do feel it is C. irritans (marine ich) then 1.015 is pointless as it must be held at 1.009 for a period no less than 28 days to erradicate the parasite.

also, is it only a spot or two on the mouth area or are there sugar sized spots on the entire fish? if it is C.Irritans, there shuld be spots that cover the entire body of that fish.

 

[nightfire]

right i know that the spots need to be on the entire fish,i have seen at times a spot on her fin and her underside,but never more then one stop at a time so thats why its messing with me as to what it could be,i turn the filter off completely which was making bubbles into the tank so i can comepletely say when i see anything that its not bubbles and i thought maybe i can take a a vid or 2 of her in action,however that will have to wait being that my wife is out and i use her camra to take vids

 

[Fishboy42]

The shaking is a pretty normal clownfish behavior, so I wouldn't worry too much about that (although I know it does look like a seizure!). If the spots aren't persisting for very long and there are only a couple of them, I think you are ok. Sometimes a loose scale or particle on the skin can look like a disease when actually the fish is healthy.

If you do suspect ich, Pickupman is right about dropping the salinity (although it is an option with the right tools). Copper is also effective at treating it if you can keep the fish in a separate tank from invertebrates. Pictures of the fish would be great.

 

[nightfire]

here is a vid of my clown,i thought a vid speaks better then a picture http://s92.photobucket.com/albums/l31/queeniepaula/?action=view&current=Video0034.mp4 as ya can see i couldnt get a very close look at her but i can say i dont see spots on her,the only problem im seeing right now which is whats happened since i put her in my QT is that she opens and closes her mouth like maybe once her second....2nd thing i dont know is why does she go up to the surfice like she does in the vid here and go right into the powerheads flow like that? i havent seen the little one do that and the blenny seems to chill in the tank just picking on the rock,pvc and glass bottom....im confused by her behavor....also i will not drop the salinity without a refractometer because i do know that my hydrometer is not the best thing to be using on my tanks

 

[Pickupman66]

mario, in looking at it, I seriously doubt C.irritans on that fish. what you saw was likely a scale that was hurt somewhere along the way.

as for the behavior, looks good to me. Ive seen them just ahng in the curent for hours only to get tired and get blown across the tank/

 

[nightfire]

i was just in the bathroom and i noticed her doing that shaking thing and then she scratched her self on the pvc....her side if that makes a dif....but i dont notice any spots