my rice experiment

[kkil4life]

HAHA! It took me forever to figure out why you thing my rice is in a "bag". Sorry...that was a figure of speech...silly internet.

if you go back further to when I first started...u can see that I am using a TLF550, sponges removed, mesh added so they don't backwash, and powered by a QO3000. The effluent is what I supply my skimmer with, skimmer ONLY gets effluent water after it's passed through the rice reactor.

I'm on day 4. Checked this afternoon and NO3 is still 15ish. Nothing else has changed as far as params. Sadly so far this is just like the BP for me..with the exception of the rice actually producing great skimmate. Hopefuly more time is needed for real results.

and day 4 water is still crystal clear. No bacterial bloom.

dave, so do u have a little tumble and is everything flying around?
is it possible for u to use another pump for the reactor? cuz if all the effluent is fed into the skimmer, wouldnt it be pulling everything out immediately?
I'm not too sure on this but if u could power ur reactor with another pump and put the out put near the skimmer that would be bettter than ur current setup.
also any chance of u getting a better test kit?

what do ur eyes tell u? see any difference in the tank? the need to clean the glass? algae growth?

 

[kkil4life]

kkil4life could post a pic of the rice you using again.

here u go, from my first post
I decided to use Japanese plain rice

I ended up using 1 and a half cups

in the reactor

 

[kkil4life]

I'm on day 2 i haven't noticed any die off but the good thing is no new growth ether so that's a plus.
i currently have more issues with my tank, that's the high DKH and the high Ca but i don't think they have to do with the algae bloom. I'm trying to get those under control but I'm not going to stop the rice experiment ether. even thinking about trying it with tap water ( but I'm a little worried about that one) I'll go and do some test now and try to get a video of my rice reactor.

lol.....go slow, patience is everything

 

[elijaher]

Dave still nitrate at 15. I was hoping that be going down by now.

 

[daveonbass]

welcome to my world. The NP BP's were in use for about 15 weeks with no effect on my water.

kk:
the reason I have one pump is both for space, which I don't have much to spare, and because on the NP thread it was stated that the best way to run them was to go strait tot the skimmer. Most people DON'T which is ironic. Most people just put the effluent near the skimmer intake...but maybe that IS the best method and the info I was given was wrong. If after a week nothing happens then I will try adding more pumps to see if it makes a difference.

 

[dez_2121]

my rice reactor

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[dez_2121]

my numbers for today
Ca 500 coming down slowly
PO4 .5 now that's a change
KH 14 barely moving but getting there. one good water change and i'm there i hope
No3 0

 

[luoskrad]

This is a message from COLT:

My tank:

My tank is for NPS so I have to feed all my inhabitants every day 2 or 3 times per day so the NO3 and PO4 are very important thing, I use to get my NO3 in a low level (0) with Lanthanum chloride. When I started with the rice I stopped dosing the Lanthanum chloride.

After 6 days on the Rice Train my NO3 goes up to something between 2 or 5 (the color chart is not too accurate), so there is something with the rice that increases the NO3 and for another posts I think we all have this issue, I will keep an eye on this but maybe we all have to share if this is a common issue

About my configuration I have the rice reactor attached to an active carbon reactor just in case the heavy metals issue:

Regards

 

[luoskrad]

having that sharp an increase in no3 could either mean that his test was either wrongly done or something like that.
for him to get his no3 from 50 down to 10 would require him to o almost 80% waterchange. did he do a 80% waterchange? if not then I think maybe he made a mistake in testing.

ask him to test again and let us know what the results are.

He did a 10gal waterchange I think is a 10 or 20% on his tank and yes the colors on the chart are very similar, the test now is 10

It seems something between 10 and 20 Tomorrow he's going to do another waterchange and post the params.

Something it is happening on the people who is on the Rice Train is that the KH and Ca is going down, what do you think is happening with this? does any body had this issue?

We have a new passenger in the Rice Train his name is Abel Arriaga and he started today the important thing with Abel is that he lives near the ocean and he does his waterchange with sea water, lets see how his system reacts with the rice.

Regards

 

[daveonbass]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJCo_zaOkJ4&sns=em

that's my reactor video. If the link doesn't link then try pasting it.

 

[daveonbass]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6dW9LiFEcE&sns=em

how the tank looks.

 

[daveonbass]

day four over...

NO3 looks like 20ppm. I'll try to post a pic soon. I need to charge my phone. But the short story...NO3 has risen by 5ppm. Not to pleased with that result.

 

[Acrotrdco]

day four over...

NO3 looks like 20ppm. I'll try to post a pic soon. I need to charge my phone. But the short story...NO3 has risen by 5ppm. Not to pleased with that result.

How about PO4?

Could it be the rice not rinsed thoroughly enough and some fine rice powder is left behind, which quickly decomposed and turned into nitrate?

 

[Acrotrdco]

Maybe you guys need one of these rice polisher, just to remove the top layer of the rice (with the added vitamin and other impurities) before tossing them into the rice reactor

FYI Japanese sake are brewed with polished rice, the finest sake uses polished rice that is only 40% the size of a full grain.
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%B2%BE%E7%B1%B3%E6%A9%9F

 

[daveonbass]

well it would have taken 4 days...i hardly call that quickly. Either way the rice was rinsed...quite well imho. The water was clear after rinsing...and there was no clouding anywhere after starting the reactor. I'll test the PO4 in a min.

 

[DJREEF]

Maybe you guys need one of these rice polisher, just to remove the top layer of the rice (with the added vitamin and other impurities) before tossing them into the rice reactor

FYI Japanese sake are brewed with polished rice, the finest sake uses polished rice that is only 40% the size of a full grain.
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/精米機

Interesting.

DJ

 

[skunkmere]

i wonder how the rice would taste after going through that. must make awsome sushi

 

[daveonbass]

checked again.

no3 is "between" 15 and 20ppm it's not quite orange enoug to be 20, but seems a little darker than yesterday.

PO4 is still 0. No increase.

 

[tmz]

I use to get my NO3 in a low level (0) with Lanthanum chloride. When I started with the rice I stopped dosing the Lanthanum chloride.

After 6 days on the Rice Train my NO3 goes up to something between 2 or 5 (the color chart is not too accurate), so there is something with the rice that increases the NO3 and for another posts I think we all have this issue, I will keep an eye on this but maybe we all have to share if this is a common issue


Lousdrkrad. F
FYI lanthanum chloridde does not remove nitrate(NO3).The lanthanum and the chloride disassociate in water . The lanthanum binds with PO4 forming Lanthanum phosphate a percipitant.

 

[Acrotrdco]

i wonder how the rice would taste after going through that. must make awsome sushi

it'd probably taste the same

The idea of polishing rice to brew sake is that they want less impurities and a stronger flavor in the brewed sake.

checked again.

no3 is "between" 15 and 20ppm it's not quite orange enoug to be 20, but seems a little darker than yesterday.

PO4 is still 0. No increase.

If no change in PO4 then chances are the stuff in the "fortified" layer is being released into the water and consumed by bacteria, but not rice powder, since if there are so much rice powder turned into nitrate then there ought to be some phosphate as well.