my ritteri has arrived

[M Woodhill]

some pix before water change

i change 100% water completely

dosage:

day 1, three capsules of amoxicillin

day 2, 2 capsules of amoxicillin and 2 cephradine

day 3, 3 capsules of cephradine

today, 3 capsules of cephradine

 

[M Woodhill]

It looks pretty good in those pics. I would provide it with light, as Orion suggested and keep a tab on the water quality, e.g., specific gravity and nitrates, keeping sg at 1.026-1.027 and nitrates undetectable. As Bonsai said, good water flow and good water quality and hopefully your mag will be ready to return to your DT soon.

i provided with the light designed for a 3 gallon nano

the manual proclaims that the lightin's sufficient for most of softies and seaweeds

the water is 6 gallon and the nem is right under it. so i presume there won't be big problems

and probably i'll be tryin some polymyxin and gramicidin, which is for human being to fight against bacterial infection of eyes with

yet i gotta warn that all the attempts go without instructions of vets and use of antibiotics must be very careful. usin human market products is probably better cuz it is usually less poisonous than those products in animal market

wishfully the result will be positive. yet after readin the sticky post, i feel of no confidence at all. the gig passed at length despite of use of antibiotics

 

[M Woodhill]

well, water changed

it got a bigger ball than yesterday. but still failed to stand up and ball

and i guess the rim of mouth is finally comin back, seein some green color rim appearin at mouth

and as planned, the mp10 was tuned to 80% efficiency, kinda strong wave now

 

[M Woodhill]

besides, how y'all test phosphate

some argue i should use 2 bottle way and the rest sing bottle way

 

[OrionN]

some pix before water change

i change 100% water completely

dosage:

day 1, three capsules of amoxicillin

day 2, 2 capsules of amoxicillin and 2 cephradine

day 3, 3 capsules of cephradine

today, 3 capsules of cephradine

Thanks. How much water and how many mg per capsule of these antibiotic? Did you use tank water from DT, added antibiotic then change 100% of the water in the treatment tank everyday? Did you mixed fresh salt water? Please be as detail as you can.
From what you are telling us and from the pictures, it seem like you are on your way to be successful in treating your anemone. Detail documentation of how you do this would be a very bid help for everybody else. As least as a starting point when they need to do something similar.

Please provide accurate information. It would really help. I read articles after articles and referent books many of which mention treatment of anemones with this antibiotic and that antibiotic, but never once did I find the author described the essential information like how much antibiotic they used in how much water. It seem as if they wanted to keep this from disseminated to other reefers.

Totally off the subject, but an example that reefcentral is a huge help for reefkeepers is the description and treatment of Pinched Mantel disease in clams. FWIW, I was the first person that described Pinched Mantel Disease in Tridacna clams and how to treat this disease with fresh water dip, how long to dipped them. This is how most people successfully treated PMD in clams and now the disease that kills thousands of clams in aquarium hardly a problem anymore.

 

[M Woodhill]

Thanks. How much water and how many mg per capsule of these antibiotic? Did you use tank water from DT, added antibiotic then change 100% of the water in the treatment tank everyday? Did you mixed fresh salt water? Please be as detail as you can.
From what you are telling us and from the pictures, it seem like you are on your way to be successful in treating your anemone. Detail documentation of how you do this would be a very bid help for everybody else. As least as a starting point when they need to do something similar.

Please provide accurate information. It would really help. I read articles after articles and referent books many of which mention treatment of anemones with this antibiotic and that antibiotic, but never once did I find the author described the essential information like how much antibiotic they used in how much water. It seem as if they wanted to keep this from disseminated to other reefers.

Totally off the subject, but an example that reefcentral is a huge help for reefkeepers is the description and treatment of Pinched Mantel disease in clams. FWIW, I was the first person that described Pinched Mantel Disease in Tridacna clams and how to treat this disease with fresh water dip, how long to dipped them. This is how most people successfully treated PMD in clams and now the disease that kills thousands of clams in aquarium hardly a problem anymore.

i didn't give very detailed info cuz i argue this is a very controversial topic just simply by checkin what people r talkin about in this thread

but one thing i must figure out

small tank with huge wave means fast evaporation and then drastic change of salinity. not till i tested my water this morning have i figured it out

it was 35ppm(1.027), but this morning it becomes 38/39 ppm(1.028/29)

and the water level lowered considerably

yet the nem was not deflated at all but with the mouth opened a little bit like one of the pic i took and posted yesterday

i guess such salinity fluctuation happens every day as long as u run a quarantine tank without a top off system. but big wave--or agitatin the surface of water can fasten evaporation

so i guess probably a small auto top off system is too kinda critical for a small quarantine tank

 

[Dukester]

is it just me or does anyone else thing if you just put this guy back in your display tank and stop f'n with him he will have a much better chance of pulling through?

 

[M Woodhill]

and all what i've done and said is just my humble thought and behaviors

i'm just kinda new in this field. i've run reef tank for a kinda long time though. my sis is my mentor and always throws me instructions and those that she ****es off in her dt

this is actually my 2nd independently runnin tank so i do have a lot to learn from y'all

about the treatment, i don't know if it becomes a success--even slightest. i will be puttin it back this evenin and if every thing turns out to be fine next weekend, i'd like to share more

different than sps's, anemone is so abundant in the sea and the export price at port is too low. no one thoroughly biologically and medically research those lovely critters. how to properly transport, what makes their destinies doom blablabla. once found dead, it is to be thrown into a trash bin

i worked in china last yr, where keepin nem was thought too easy to compose any challenges for an advanced aquarist. what a pita

and by chance i visited Singapore and Hong Kong, two largest export ports of the world in saltwater fish. nem was wholesaled at very low price, in particular compared with those exotic sps's and angelfishes

another reason why i'm so panic cuz i watched how farmers in maldives seychelles and tanzania harvested nem. they were very brutal cuz they equipped with the most primary divin tools. most of time they just dived in by holdin their breath. so quick actions without any considerations about results

for ritteri's, they live in kinda clean area, but for gigs, i guess they r usually found in dirty shallow lagoon beaches--to my experiences of scuba. so i guess they r naturally kinda robust

poor collection and even poorer stock and shipment make'em so vulnerable. but who cares? there r many in the sea and big profit even facin lots of casualties

 

[M Woodhill]

is it just me or does anyone else thing if you just put this guy back in your display tank and stop f'n with him he will have a much better chance of pulling through?

pull thru like my rbta?

same cycle of deflation and inflation and i sat aside and just watched. then 15 day later, it pulled thru eternally. i was tryin to treat but unfortunately i didn't get enuf info about that

i guess the quotation from julian sprung is very important---at least to me. if i'd read it that time, i woulda treated the rbta. i witnessed what he described includin the nemos maintainin their nem. when i just intro the gig into the tank, whenever its mouth gaped, the pair immediately nipped at it and the mouth soon get back. a month later, the gig acclimated itself in the new tank, the pair never did the same

this time the same, whenever bad things or mucus expelled, the pair clean'em away. they even fought a serpent starfish comin with the rock so that they made me found it and put it in the refu

but this ritteri def too sick beyond what nemos can help

when i purchased it, there were 2 in the tank of lfs. the other didn't make it and has started to melt beside it. i guess this increased the likelihood of infection

back to rbta, many argued the tank was so young but 15 days later, i was gifted with a healthy gig--i'm sure it's healthy cuz it's from in a friend's tank

it survived very well. well, probably my tank matures within a month

and i kept record of the two

my family doc also hints me of this maturity tank theory. if everything remains the same---salinity, calcium, nitrate, phosphate from the 2nd month to the 12th month, then what made difference? how to define maturity?

the only significant difference is microorganism that we can't see but primarily judge by time. a well balanced environment offers abundant and various natural antibiotics that help nem fight after intro against infection due to poor collection, shipment and stock. so that's why there's higher survivability in maturer tank

 

[M Woodhill]

so my last word, sometimes u can trust ur family doc not only on ur own but ur pets

believe me, animals--even as ancient as nem--and mankind share lots in common

while the vets r too busy makin money, try have conversations with ur doc

 

[syrinx]

so my last word, sometimes u can trust ur family doc not only on ur own but ur pets

believe me, animals--even as ancient as nem--and mankind share lots in common

while the vets r too busy makin money, try have conversations with ur doc

Yikes- To each his own, but I have many MDs as clients, and strongly disagree. No matter what happens the lack of any systematic procedure procludes any conclusions being drawn on why or why not you will have had success or failure in this situation.

That being said I am happy and hopeful the animal will survive and be put back into the display where the stress level will be lower. Even though you are doing differently than I would have-I truely believe you have done everything you felt you could to the best of your ability. You should be commended for your caring and effort no matter the end result. But I have delt with way more MDs and DVMs than you have!

 

[M Woodhill]

Yikes- To each his own, but I have many MDs as clients, and strongly disagree. No matter what happens the lack of any systematic procedure procludes any conclusions being drawn on why or why not you will have had success or failure in this situation.

That being said I am happy and hopeful the animal will survive and be put back into the display where the stress level will be lower. Even though you are doing differently than I would have-I truely believe you have done everything you felt you could to the best of your ability. You should be commended for your caring and effort no matter the end result. But I have delt with way more MDs and DVMs than you have!

yup. i totally agree. a standard cure of a sick nem must be based on accurate and repeatable lab experiments and blablabla

 

[M Woodhill]

I put it back into dt

Made a mess. The rock work fell. Hopefully the nem wasn't hurt

But my green stag horn was hurt, losin a branch

The mouth closed when I left for dinner

Hopefully all be fine

 

[M Woodhill]

nope, the nem didn't make it

now it completely deflates again

 

[flyhigh123]

u should be around 1.023-1.025

 

[M Woodhill]

ok, i'd like to present some best pictures of nem and its mates

this mornin till now, it stays kinda fine. but the mouth is startin to gape again

don't know how long it will stand there. i moved the light shield cuz when light is on, it immediately startin to demount the rock and move towards brighter area. seemingly it's hungry for light

i'd like to later update these pix to my tank journal

some of its tank mates. wanna give y'all some references about water parameters as well as test kit readings

now phos and carbon reactor is supposed to arrive this thursday or friday

just got it back from lfs. this one offers kinda good quality critters. but the birdnest stayed probably too long in their frag tank, sufferin some tissue necrosis

fiji corals r always very sensitive. its polyps r still kinda brown. supposedly they r pink

the tank was inspired by one of my scuba at bintulu. tried to mimic an atoll lagoon's entrance

actually i saw like millions of longspine cardinalfish there

dragonface pipefish. guess there's a perfect lfs in ottawa, which is frequently full of exotic import

presumably reef in ottawa is far far better than its night life

that's all. i wish i would still have opportunities to update the thread

thanks y'all for instructions and patience to follow the thread with

 

[garygb]

In those last pics, your mag looks pretty good considering it's been recently acquired, then in a hospital tank with antibiotics and now is in the DT again. My suggestion: leave it alone. Your tank looks good. And I disagree with flyhigh, I would keep the sg in the 1.026-1.027 range. In fact, a depressed sg is responsible for a high mortality rate in anemones in my opinion. Having natural strength seawater is (in my opinion) high on the list of necessary conditions for long-term success.

 

[M Woodhill]

In those last pics, your mag looks pretty good considering it's been recently acquired, then in a hospital tank with antibiotics and now is in the DT again. My suggestion: leave it alone. Your tank looks good. And I disagree with flyhigh, I would keep the sg in the 1.026-1.027 range. In fact, a depressed sg is responsible for a high mortality rate in anemones in my opinion. Having natural strength seawater is (in my opinion) high on the list of necessary conditions for long-term success.

thanks

i'm gonna leave it alone for a while and take this time to do some thorough researchin on how and when to feed a ritteri and with what to.

if possible, i'd upload a vid clips when i'm returnin back from a luncheon

given the sticky thread, i guess the ritteri is still in a critical stage. the gig looked fab when returnin back to dt after antibiotic treatment but few days later, it failed

 

[M Woodhill]

so far, if this is late afternoon, the ritteri stays well, but showin signs of deflation

as u can c on the video clip

but the video was shot around 3 o'clock in the afternoon

http://youtu.be/s6mZvE809WQ

 

[garygb]

As far as food, I feed mine squid, shrimp, PE mysis, silversides, krill, etc. I would suggest to start with a small amount of PE mysis for starters. That food is high in protein and in fat and is likely to get a feeding response. Fresh foods get a better feeding response, e.g., fresh shrimp from the seafood dept., fresh calamari steak, if you have it at your local seafood counter, etc. Also, fresh trout is eagerly taken by my mags and, a common freshwater fish, tilapia (I fee fresh, never frozen).