My rose ate my stubby!!!
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WayneL333
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They're not surgically deforming the body. They're just selectively breeding a mutated trait. Look at the doutchhound or great dane or any toy dog. I personally wouldn't buy a dyed fish, but I see nothing wrong with it if the dye is non-toxic...people and animals get tattooed all the time.
I understand that they are not altered surgically but breeding for a physical deformation that has not advantage in life is wrong. You can make some claims on certain breeds of dogs but most have been bred to perform a specific task like hunting. Some dogs where bred to have shorter legs to get into burrows for an example. Making a fish "stubby" does not give it any advantages that I can think of, just saying. Also, non-toxic of toxic dye is not the point. People get tattooed because they choose to. I don't see fish saying "tattoo me please". Certain animals do get tattooed for identification purposes but what purpose does it server a fish to be tattooed
deangelr
Clown Whisperererer
I like the stubby's and support their breeding! I really dont get the reason people have to lash out against selective breeding like it just started a few years ago or something.. This thread isnt even about that.
People have been selectivly breeding animals for thousands of years I personally like the traits and dont see anything wrong with it.
People have been selectivly breeding animals for thousands of years I personally like the traits and dont see anything wrong with it.
shabreeson
New member
come on people, talk about derailing a thread!
when it comes to advantages in genetics... who cares? they aren't being released to the wild. if people don't want them, they won't buy them or use them for breeding.
is it cruel to let a poor stubby critter exist? hardly, they aren't in any pain. all the other percs aren't teasing them. IMHO it's more cruel to take another clown out of the ocean than to appreciate that which would have been thrown away.
these stubby's would have been culled if someone didn't like their shape.
so WayneL333 likes the look of stubby clownfish. is it wierd? yes... should we give him crap? maybe a little... but let the man be
when it comes to advantages in genetics... who cares? they aren't being released to the wild. if people don't want them, they won't buy them or use them for breeding.
is it cruel to let a poor stubby critter exist? hardly, they aren't in any pain. all the other percs aren't teasing them. IMHO it's more cruel to take another clown out of the ocean than to appreciate that which would have been thrown away.
these stubby's would have been culled if someone didn't like their shape.
so WayneL333 likes the look of stubby clownfish. is it wierd? yes... should we give him crap? maybe a little... but let the man be
SkullV
They Got My Number
I would argue that if you put one of these stubbys in a tank full of correctly developed perc juvies they would cull it on their own. It's their instinct to kill off the weaker/deformed clownfish.
shabreeson
New member
so you're saying, even if givin the oppertunity they probably wouldn't weaken the perc blood line?
SkullV
They Got My Number
Correct, and while I have no supporting evidence I would bet that you would be hard pressed to find a normal perc to form a breeding pair with one of those fish. It is just animal instinct to only spread their genes to the best mate available or not breed at all of not suitable mate exists.
Angel*Fish
cats and large squashes
I use the same method, but in about a 5 g space. I wouldn't put 3 clowns in close confines. Who knows what happened. Good luck with the other two.
SkullV
They Got My Number
This scares me when well known members of this site recommend practices like this. Clownfish should never be confined to any space smaller then their intended living space just to start hosting an anemone. They will find it when they find it.
BonsaiNut
Premium Member
Before you start slamming someone's experience, perhaps you should provide some reference of why you think their approach is incorrect/improper. Do you have anything to share? Or are you just commenting on gut instinct - which may or may not be valid?
SkullV
They Got My Number
^^^ You are pretty good at drafting a passive aggressive statement!
I have personally seen people's clownfish become dinner for anemones (one Haddoni and one GBTA) when they are confined to a small space for the purpose of getting them to host. If the fish does not have the appropriate time to build up their slime coat by "testing the waters" with the anemone they can be stung just like any other fish.
This is more prevalent with "stickier" species like Haddonis but applies to BTA, LTA, etc. as well. I wonder what your response would have been if someone like Toddrtex (who posts the same thing I did about confining clownfish for hosting purposes) or another forum "expert" would have posted this.
Angel*Fish
cats and large squashes
Oh my goodness.
I was only talking about BTA's. And I've seen newly introduced clowns rush straight into them and wiggle to their hearts content with no harm. A 5 g space is not that small unless the anemone is large. You are over stating the situation.
And your statement is absurd, what if their intended living space is 240g? Sorry to be so scary. If someone had asked how to do it, I would have asked about fish size, anemone size and type.
BonsaiNut
Premium Member
It would have been the same. What's the point of posting an empty criticism? I could just as easily have said "I disagree back at you. You're an idiot." Where would that have gotten us? Much better to post more info like you did. If you are going to say "you should never do x" just include your rationale.
Certainly clowns can be kept in a 5 gallon space with an anemone - I have personally been to breeder setups where they have breeding pairs (of the smaller clowns) in a space this small. The tanks are plumbed to a central system so the water quality is good. I don't LIKE it. It FEELS small to me. But for these people they are successful and the clowns don't seem to mind.
And no, I'm not saying you should force a clownfish into an anemone at any time.
JJ Ocean
New member
Although I agree clowns do get eaten by anemones at times, the odds are higher in my opinion that the clown jumped ... and then flopped/swam to a spot that is more obscured. Not sure how this "container" was set up ... determines whether he went carpet surfing or landed into a larger body of water.
Either way, I'd check around the container a little more. Also, if your anemone did eat the clown ... you'll see him again on the way out in 24-48 hours.
Either way, sorry for the loss.
Either way, I'd check around the container a little more. Also, if your anemone did eat the clown ... you'll see him again on the way out in 24-48 hours.
Either way, sorry for the loss.
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