My Ultimate Multi Mantis System(s)

I kind of bit the bullet with sump designs or rather sizes and to solve my many issues with STAND A and its sump (being smallest) I have simply made it larger, to be precise as large as the other 2 sumps for the other 2 stands, thus making all 3 sumps the same size, the same schematics, each one is 3 foot, overall size is 900mmLongx450mmWidex300mmHigh

A few things have changed in design most noticeably the Skimmer chamber is now before the Refugium along with where I want water to enter or the Input chamber along with it holding media (thinking Chemipure Elite), it's a nice large chamber (for what they are normally) as I have something special in mind for it beyond the media itself...basically with the overflows incoming there are going to be 3 per stand, 3 draining into this input chamber or 3 hoses so it needs the size but this also means triple the overall surface area of the water being input to the sump so I plan on simply using a zip tie to bring all 3 ends together and have them drain into this input area all over the media bag within no possible dead areas.



As for the upgrade lights I mentioned previously, I am now basically sold on the ReefBreeder fixtures :)...you damn yanks and your top of the line rock bottom priced HOB Overflows & LED Fixtures...down here we just whack the PC with a boomerang hoping what we imagine comes in front of us xD...
 
Alright mate I am looking forward to a montage of you system day one up to now. Maybe some metal per weld shots, some sand clowds, some alagy outbrakes, full stand shots then and nows. You video skills will be put to the challenge. I know you lost a lot of pix but am confident you got something. I also want to see how much your camera skills how improved.
 
With this design I see two things.
First it would be very simple to place a sheet of acrylic with three holes drilled in it to place filter socks with each of your drains running into its own sock, to have 100% of the drain water run over media will cause two problems one they will be broken down to smaller pieces and end up all over the sump (this is why you never see people with large sumps do this) second on this point is the media bags will get clogged very quickly and water will try to bypass them with it having no place to go you have an overflow/bypass of the water, third on the media area the water has no time to dwell on the medias making them less effective.

Second change I would like to see is with the size of the sump and lack of bubbles being made in the sump reduces the need for the second set of baffle bubble trap. Instead let's make a simple spill way using two pains of glass and a rack made from your beloved light sheets this will serve two goals. Goal one holding back any free floating macro that breaks free and is headed for the pump intake. Second this is a good place to put the media bags due to the water level in this spillway being higher then the bottom of the rack you have created a better place for media bags. The bags will be in the water and allow the water to travail over them slower due to this area being larger. You will find the media will work more effective with less flow over them and a longer dewel time.

Overall I love the sumps you came up with.
 
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I would look at the tunze ato. Small in sump area needed and bullet proof design. I like to run my return for the ato to spray into my skimmer's air intake. Finding this to be effective at cleaning out the salt creep that builds in side the air injector making for less matance down the road. Also this allows the incoming water to mix in long before the sump return pump there by making a salinity change so miner that the inhabitants will never notice.
 
TundraGuy said:
I would look at the tunze ato. Small in sump area needed and bullet proof design. I like to run my return for the ato to spray into my skimmer's air intake. Finding this to be effective at cleaning out the salt creep that builds in side the air injector making for less matance down the road. Also this allows the incoming water to mix in long before the sump return pump there by making a salinity change so miner that the inhabitants will never notice.
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Can you please diagram what you say :) I find it difficult to follow I think I am just a simple person...:headwally: but I like what your saying

Would there even be enough room between the dividers separating refugium from return area for a media chamber like a bag of chemipure ? Or am I confused altogether xD...I'm like a monkey write all you like...not till I see will I fully understand :X...
 
TundraGuy said:
I would look at the tunze ato. Small in sump area needed and bullet proof design. I like to run my return for the ato to spray into my skimmer's air intake. Finding this to be effective at cleaning out the salt creep that builds in side the air injector making for less matance down the road. Also this allows the incoming water to mix in long before the sump return pump there by making a salinity change so miner that the inhabitants will never notice.
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Tunze ato is the 110% what I'll be using for the ATO system.
 
Better yet Tundra just copy my image and chop it up if you want to make it easier since by the sounds of it your changes are small but significant

I'm also curious if there will be enough holes in the bottom half of the divider separating the input chamber from the skimmer chamber, however I do plan to have that bottom half really full of holes as many as possible.
 
I do intend to document all I have in comparison to all I will soon get and have installed...

I've already found a way to kind of phase 2 photos the same in video editor all fancy...for example 2 pics of the stand one with pipe work then the pipes only fade revealing the new return pipe along with the FX5 fading out only and the new sump fading in whilst everything else stays the same :P

Having said that I would like to have it ALL running for a month or 2 so that I can complete the video with in tank footage from now and then 2 months after upgrade to see difference in algae (mostly) and overall tank cleanliness. :D
 
I did good previously on 1 thing by biting the bullet on it early to...having already upgraded the powerheads twice before this...you may remember a few months ago I purchased 16x Tunze 6015 Powerheads :) all of which were more then worth it :P....everything else besides the tanks themselves is basically being replaced (don't need new lights for Top Tank of STAND B which is staying a refugium and don't need new lights for STAND C at all cause that is basically a refugium/Very DSB.

But all the filtration all the other lights and all the tanks pipework is changing/being removed. :)

8x LifeReef Overflows. (incoming)
5x ReefBreeder Photon LED Fixtures. (incoming)
3x 3foot Sumps (custom stands I'll build at work).
3x Skimmers (Have).
6x Reactors (Have 3).
3x Returns (Have might need larger).
3x Tunze ato systems. (soon)
1x 500L-1000L Custom Made RainWater RO/DI Storage tank (custom stand I'll build at work). (soon)
And a bundle of new PVC and ball valves (screw the poly pipe!!!)

Then...I'm done! :D :D
 
I spoke with my father and brother on the subject of the Return Line seeing as they are more interested in the overall engineering of anything then whatever might be in the tanks -_-...

Nonetheless I trust their wisdom (living calculators -_-) and they confirmed that THIS IMAGE...

...Will do what I want it might just be a simple matter of getting a larger pump to get a more powerful flow if the current pump is not powerful enough, but in the end it will be a "simple" matter of just adjusting the ball valves to make each output into the display tanks even.
 
This is funny my scanner will not scan till I fill the blue ink cartridge. So I am taking pix with my phone and will upload them
 
Good to read that you will have help with the sump builds. This sump has a few parts. More complex then you think and at the same time less complex then you will see but will offer you so much more then you realize. I think down the road you will want a larger fuge area and a smaller return section. With an ato in place and working the smaller the return section the better a ato works. But a larger return section dose give you a larger area for water to go when the power is shut off.
 
I know, they are out of order :wildone:
 

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