Myths & Myth Busting !!!

[Creetin]

They are more touchy than most. They will get white bak infections. IMO When that happens they melt away.
When getting frags of these they should be cut a decent amt of time ahead. Mine are doing great they love flow and light!
I have had mine for about 3 mos.

 

[msman825]

the ones i had looked to be just fragged, and the place i got them from had just gotten them also. next time i'll find someone that i know. that was the fastest $$$ i ever blew on zoas. never saw them even open

 

[MUCHO REEF]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14636639#post14636639 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by memorisa
i agree with you completely, mucho -- i have witnessed that first hand as well.

oh I think I got one, I had read in one place that zoas grow better under actinics only **** that's gotta be a myth right?

I'm going to explore this.

 

[MUCHO REEF]

Any more myths to share?

 

[Guygettnby]

I know im gonna catch hell on this one, but... i gotta put this out there. VIT C.... been there, tried it, tried it again, again and again with different kinds of VIT C and different amounts each time. never once did it actually do anything for me, if anything i had negative reactions everytime i tried it.

i say this is a myth and all in peoples heads :lol:

 

[E.intheC]

Mucho, did you have any luck with the actinics myth? It doesn't make sense to me, other than it might have to do with light intensity and less PAR. But that would depend on the zoa and its specific requirements.

Speaking of that; I think itd be very helpful to have a centralised list of zoos and their general care requirements. (we would probably have to include names). I think it'd be helpful for people who aren't too experienced or who have a certain, specific tank with parameters that can't be changed easily.

 

[E.intheC]

To add to my above post, I realise that there would be variables.. I would be willing to help contribute and organize this list if anyone else is interested.

 

[MUCHO REEF]

Mucho, did you have any luck with the actinics myth? It doesn't make sense to me, other than it might have to do with light intensity and less PAR. But that would depend on the zoa and its specific requirements.

Speaking of that; I think itd be very helpful to have a centralised list of zoos and their general care requirements. (we would probably have to include names). I think it'd be helpful for people who aren't too experienced or who have a certain, specific tank with parameters that can't be changed easily.

I can't say for sure, but there are some T5 bulbs putting out near equal levels of PAR as some T5 daylight bulbs. I think there might be some merit to this. I'm gonna do so web searches to see. Hmmm, we learn something new everyday. What are your thoughts on this?

 

[Guygettnby]

I can't say for sure, but there are some T5 bulbs putting out near equal levels of PAR as some T5 daylight bulbs. I think there might be some merit to this. I'm gonna do so web searches to see. Hmmm, we learn something new everyday. What are your thoughts on this?

this is very possible. there are so many bulb combos out there that put out the same amount of par that day light bulbs do. i get great growth of some frags that are directly under 2 blue + bulbs and they dont get any light from my halide at all. i have also seen a few tanks that run nothing but blue HO T5 bulbs and they get very decent growth as well as great polyp extension.

on the other hand i dont thing this is possible with PC bulbs though... VHO's i also think is very possible. would need some testing done but i think growing zoas or any other corals under various blue and atinic bulbs is very possible. now wether that growth is better thehn daylight bulbs??? i think that in itself is a myth. i think they would grow the same, niether better then the other.

 

[Timanator]

Zoas are easy to grow and propagate.

 

[MUCHO REEF]

I know im gonna catch hell on this one, but... i gotta put this out there. VIT C.... been there, tried it, tried it again, again and again with different kinds of VIT C and different amounts each time. never once did it actually do anything for me, if anything i had negative reactions everytime i tried it.

i say this is a myth and all in peoples heads :lol:

I have never tried it and don't know of anyone personally who has. Some speak positive of it and have seen improvements, some haven't. If you think it's a myth, you're free to speak your mind. What do you base your opinions on, just curious, not debating it?

 

[Guygettnby]

I have never tried it and don't know of anyone personally who has. Some speak positive of it and have seen improvements, some haven't. If you think it's a myth, you're free to speak your mind. What do you base your opinions on, just curious, not debating it?

ok, when the VIT C thing very first started i figured hey, why not? i jumped on board and ran to my local GNC store to buy some. i started in very low doses and started very slow. i ended up getting an unusual amount of algea growth. at first i couldnt get it, so i did testing, changed filters and even changed bulbs. none of this helped me out.... at this point i started asking more questions on the forums trying to figure out what the heck was wrong with my tank. i found nothing out and i decided to stop dosing the VIT C just to try and pin point my problem, about 3-4 days later the algea started to go away. was this because the VIT C dosing?? i still wasnt sure and it couldnt be proven. so i tried it again and of course the algea started coming back. so now i knew for a fact it was the VIT C causing the problem and i started asking myself why are all the people saying they are having all this good luck with dosing this stuff if i am not??

so after more talking and asking questions i came to the conclusion maybe i bought the wrong VIT C and that was probably the problem. so i went out yet again and this time i went to a wholesome nutrition store were everything is 100% natural. i bought a bottle of there VIT C powder wich on the label said 100% pure VIT C... i thought to myself cool! i think it will work this time :dance: ehhh nope!! after a week of dosing my tank was super cloudy, my skimmer was going crazy and my zoas/palys were almost all closed up with little streamers coming off of them. i quickly stoped dosing and did seceral water changes. at this point i said this crap doesnt work and all but wrote it off as another internet wonder drug.

a few months later i see more and more people saying how wonderful this stuff is and how great there tanks are looking.... now at this point im saying WTH!! i just dont get it:hmm2: so back to reading the thread i went. i saw a few post with people saying exactly what kind of VIT C they were buying and where they were buying it from. so being as i have reread this entire long thread again and now have seen so many more people swearing by this stuff i decided to give it one more shot. i ordered the exact same stuff from the exact same place and even used the exact same coupon they all used. i started dosing yet again and this time i made sure to go very slow and be very aware of what was going on in my tank. i dosed for probably 3-4 weeks this time. no cloudy tank, no unhappy zoas so far. i saw absolutely no advantage to the dosing so far.... i kept dosing for a few more weeks and even upped the dosage... still nothing.... if anything i noticed slightly less polyp extension in some of my colonies. i decided to give it up and yet again have nothing to show for all the money and time spent.

now here is the kicker. a week or two later after i stoped dosing my tank the polyp extension came back and some of my zoas started to brighten up even more. was this from the dosing or from me stop dosing the tank?? never figured it out, but i never tried again and my tank looked great until i did something extremely stupid that crashed my tank. i hope that pretty much sums it up for ya mucho:thumbsup: i honestly cant remember much more about it all

 

[blasterman789]

The way I frag my Zoas is put a small rock next to a healthy cluster, and just let them grow up on it. After two or three babies walk up on the rock or plug I gently cut them apart from the main cluster.

Never had a problem with this. It's trying to fuss with single polyp fragging that causes issues.

Again, the only nutrients I'm 100% convinced grow zoas well is nitrate/fish poop.

Since most Zoas are deeper water critters they will likely just need far blue light given nothing else is down there. I would tend to doubt they grow faster under just actinic.

 

[MUCHO REEF]

Good reading here and I'm not ready to rule it out.

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1602664&highlight=iridescentlily

 

[Friday Night]

Fragging makes them grow faster.

Um... i have had results in my growth after fragging so your right thx

 

[scuba guy ron]

I believe that when you place zoas in a tank in close proximity to others they grow faster as a sort of competition for space takes place. I believe this to not be a myth but the opposite infact.

 

[noobtothereef]

Zoas are easy to grow and propagate.

ive been in to reefing for 4 months now, im a noob and am growing and propagating zoa's..... but they are all fast growers, hardest part is handling the frags before glueing to the plug i think....... im sure when your fragging a $100+pp zoa it might not be so easy, my hands ould be shakin like crazy... especially handling a larger colony of them

 

[noobtothereef]

Um... i have had results in my growth after fragging so your right thx

me too, if the plug is full of zoas and i frag half of them off the plug it gives them more room to grow!

 

[noobtothereef]

I believe that when you place zoas in a tank in close proximity to others they grow faster as a sort of competition for space takes place. I believe this to not be a myth but the opposite infact.

i have recently witnessed this in my tank, i took a rock out of my tank and placed mutliple types of zoas on this rock, they grew at normal speed until the mats and polyps became close and the mats spread out wide as if they were trying to circle the other mat and the growth was 3x-5x faster in the area where they were interacting, but on the other side of the mat the growth was normal speed

 

[scuba guy ron]

i have recently witnessed this in my tank, i took a rock out of my tank and placed mutliple types of zoas on this rock, they grew at normal speed until the mats and polyps became close and the mats spread out wide as if they were trying to circle the other mat and the growth was 3x-5x faster in the area where they were interacting, but on the other side of the mat the growth was normal speed

my entire tank is an experiment of this and i am getting unbelievable growth results.