Need to hear from people who have STOPPED using Oceanic Salt

My lfs was selling me the 200g bucket for $39.99 and said if they order any more it will be that price for the 50g jug. I know for a fact the LFS in my area make little to no profit on Salt. Now if they were selling to me for almost $70 a bucket i would know they were lying. To be honest at this point I could have a thousand people tell me they have no problems with Oceanic and even if the prices were not going up I still don't want to use it anymore. To many issues for me and the cost increase was the straw that broke the camels back
 
Jus Reefin said:
My lfs was selling me the 200g bucket for $39.99 and said if they order any more it will be that price for the 50g jug. I know for a fact the LFS in my area make little to no profit on Salt. Now if they were selling to me for almost $70 a bucket i would know they were lying. To be honest at this point I could have a thousand people tell me they have no problems with Oceanic and even if the prices were not going up I still don't want to use it anymore. To many issues for me and the cost increase was the straw that broke the camels back

$40 for a 50 gallon jub would be a huge price leap. They need to switch distributors if that is the case. I understand your concern with all the negatives you hear about oceanic though. I'll continue to use them as I've experienced none of the problems.
 
Jus Reefin said:
OK, from what my LFS tell me Oceanic has raised the prices beyond acceptable amounts.

On a side note most LFS don't make much money on Salt so there is no need to lie about it. Salt is already priced so high there mark up is very minimal.
OK... I'll bite.
Artificial saltmix is a staple of the hobby. To say that "LFS don't make much money on Salt so there is no need to lie about it. Salt is already priced so high there mark up is very minimal ", makes no sense. Do you know how much it costs to manufacture artificial seasalt... or what they're charging for it in Hawaii' (or my LFS for that matter)?
Most LFS's purchase saltmix in batches from their distributor(s). They can "buy high" or "buy low" (when it goes "on sale") usually multiple units at a a time.
I've seen saltmix for sale at one LFS for double the amount (or more) charged at another in the same city.
Bottom line:
Profit margins at the local retail level on saltmix depends on each individual LFS's purchasing/pricing savvy and business strategy (among other factors).
Incidentally- I've seen IO, 'Reef Crystals', and every popular saltmix blamed for outbreaks of Bryopsis and melting Xenia over the years.
 
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Look people I didn't start this thread to argue about the price of salt at my LFS. I know first hand how much a few of my LFS pay for the salt cause I have seen the order slips. I am friends with many of my LFS owners and if they have to charge $70 for a 200g bucket then they won't carry the product any longer. I can only vouge for my LFS not some LFS in other states. I was paying $39.99 for a 200g bucket and someone else said they pay close to $70. Bottom line is I don't like Oceanic and I will be switching. I used IO for years with no problems, the moment I switch to
" the next best thing" all hell hit the fan and I have been battling it since. Like I said the price was just the straw that broke the camels back.

Peace
Rob
 
UPDATE

UPDATE

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Well I made the switch but have only done 2 WG about 15g each time. So far I have lost a Brain coral a very thriving growing Acan lord ( grew from 2 1/2 polyps to over 10+ polyps in 5 months) and almost lost Acan Echinata, It bleached and was showing skeleton. It looks to be coming back now. Needless to say I am not very happy at all and will be writing a letter to Oceanic to complain. ( more to make me feel good since I know they won't give a damn) Also lost 2 Acro frags
 
I have stopped using it....I went to reef crystals....MUCH BETTER water quality and seems to hole levels alot better.....But I never had anything really bad happen with oceanic. I wanted to try soemthing different
 
Jeez you guys pay a ton for salt. I pay $35 for 200g IO locally. No reason to buy anything else at that price..
 
I started with oceanic went to IO and had terrible problems keeping calcium up even dripping kalk
now I an using Marine Mix professional, dunno how it is going to work out yet.
 
Poolrad said:
Jeez you guys pay a ton for salt. I pay $35 for 200g IO locally. No reason to buy anything else at that price..

I pay 40 for a bucket of Reef crystals locally...
 
I went to oceanic because I ran into a bad bag of Reef Crystals about 7 months ago. Well I went to my LFS which I am in very good terms with and took the last of the salt with me. I had a thread about it awhile ago. While I lost many corals because of this bad bag, I started to use oceanic and the problem began to stop.Well over the last 4 months of using oceanic I had an algea bloom along with diatom bloom(never had it before). My buds at the LFS talked to their dist. about my problem and after going to bat for me and getting into this guy's butt he sent me a free case of Reef Crystals 3 bags of 50g mix. So I have gone back slowly over the last month and the algea is starting to wane the diatoms are still around but will be going hopefully. My corals and clams have never looked better, I did lose a small maxima but my RBTA has split so I guess I'm even..I have done the switch back over a month or so, I would take it slow no reason to rush it and take a risk of killing any more stuff then you already have. Reef Crystals is like $48 a bucket locally....
 
I have been doing it slowly. I have only changed about 30g in a month on a 220g system. If I go any slower my water quality will be bad.
 
I didn't realize I guess the size of you tank....I did like the high Ca of Oceanic....but alas it was not to be...Good luck with the switch over.
 
WOW a bad batch or reef crystals....SCARY...What tipped you off... I have had no problems so far but man I am gonna have to keep that in mind...
 
Is anyone else concerned about the high level of Mg in Oceanic? I use 50/50 oceanic and IO. No problems really, its just that my Mg is measuring 1500+. I need to see if there is a way to do a high-range test with my Salifert kit. To me, the Oceanic levels of Ca and Mg are ridiculous. I could understand those levels if you did not dose and you did water changes to get parameters back up. If you run a reactor or dose regularly, Oceanic will put you over the top.

Other than Mg inching higher and higher, I like the 50/50 mix. I do have a slight amount of diatoms that I've never had before since I started this.
 
Well the search is down but, I'll try in short tell ya....I have used Reef Crystals for about 13 years with no problums. The high rate of dyeing corals. I bought a hugh brain from Reefermadness.com it was about 6 inchs absolutly beautiful, we needless to say it melted away in a matter of 4 days to the point that it went from bright green to skeleton. I had a few other corals that died, a pink yuma, a colony of other yumas,a clam, a black cap basslet I got on my honeymoon. I had tested the water and I think the tests were bad in the end cause they were showing proper ranges. So I was to the point I wanted to dump the whole tank and give up, I had lost about $300 in corals in the period of 3 weeks. I had enough for 1 last water change of the bag of Reef Crystals. I took some water to LFS I go to and we tri tested the water with RO/DI, and with distilled(I was using distilled for changes) well needless to say the ph was around 10-12, the kh was of the charts of every test, dkh was also off the charts. Ca was correct all of this was at a sp gravity 1.025. So we made three batchs and tested all of them again and they all came out the same. So my tests were bad and the salt was buffering the water to the point that that it was beyond normal ranges and killing any new coral put in the tank, while the old in habitants except for the Black cap slowly began to get used to it. Well needless to say Oceanic help come back from that, but the algea bloom I am slowly killing of was not there before the change and the diatoms wern't there either. Ohh well that reefing live and learn....so now I'm useing the free reef crystals that the rep shipped me. I thought about trying Tropic marin...maybe when the reef crystals are gone.
 
If all else fails....blame the salt mix.

edit: Rob, I hope it works out for you making the switch back to IO bro. The only thing Oceanic in my home is the tank (and I absolutely love it). Bruce has been trying to get me to switch, but since I've been using IO for 10 years and after all the talk here on RC I'm too big a chicken to switch to anything else. If it ain't broke...
 
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