New guys - baby Regal and Venustus

[humaguy]

Why do "people" like me ruin this forum, because I have a difference of opinions from you? Please get over yourself. And last time I checked saying someone is delusional is not name calling so let's get past 4th grade please.

To the op, sorry to hear you lost both fish. I got a venustus a few months back from Liveaquaria and it ate 15 minutes out of the bag in qt. Glad to hear that NYA is trying to make things right with you. Good luck to you.

:mtool:

for purposes of clarification, please, indulge me...
because I disagreed with you about nya and their practices your said to me "you are either delusional or out of touch with reality"...then you said that is not name calling....
then you went on to say "Michael sells sick fish" and then "I am done and will leave this thread for good."

So, if it is not name calling, lol, is that a clinical diagnosis?
With regards to Michael selling sick fish...why are my interrupta, jocs, venustsus, crosshatch doing so well? and I wonder if Bs (Utah and shipped well) feels bad about his one off killer hybrid flasher he got unexpectedly and if hj is still happy with his clarion, octopus, giant hawk fish, et al...just 2 outstanding experiences nya in the past few weeks....
Dude, welcome to the hobby but search any online vendor and you will find neg threads galore...as mentioned, I have had problems with nya just like I have had with every online vendor since 1990, it happens, period...
I got a baby navarchus last week, came in with at least 3 sites of lymp...I'm not gonna cry and post neg things about people selling sick and diseased fish and hope that others who had similar negative issue with the vendor will pile on." ....it was not nya...

I am now officially over myself...

 

[SDguy]

Let it go, people... Everyone has said what they have to say. No one is going to convince the other person to change their tune, so please, just stop. I'd rather this thread focus on these difficult fish and/or tiny angels... not vendors. But that's just my opinion...

 

[Rea17]

Let it go, people... Everyone has said what they have to say. No one is going to convince the other person to change their tune, so please, just stop. I'd rather this thread focus on these difficult fish and/or tiny angels... not vendors. But that's just my opinion...

Agreed

Humaguy - that bit about the Navarchus was pretty on topic. Are you at all worried about the lymph on such a small angel? From what I gather, there isn't much you can do to treat it, so I'm not sure if it would affect feeding habits. I recently ended up with a couple of larger fish with it, I'd be interested in your opinion. BTW I love my baby Navarchus, he just started to show some yellow around his dorsal fin and is a little pig. Hope yours does well!

 

[humaguy]

Agreed

Humaguy - that bit about the Navarchus was pretty on topic. Are you at all worried about the lymph on such a small angel? From what I gather, there isn't much you can do to treat it, so I'm not sure if it would affect feeding habits. I recently ended up with a couple of larger fish with it, I'd be interested in your opinion. BTW I love my baby Navarchus, he just started to show some yellow around his dorsal fin and is a little pig. Hope yours does well!

agree too but...ugh...

I have pulled her out to scrape some off and will continue to do this...I hope between that and water changes she will be okay....

 

[caribfan]

So back to the fish...

Michael went what I would call "over and above" to send me videos of the new 1" venustus angels feeding and the larger venustus angels eating. These were videos shot with a phone and sent directly to me, not copies of something he's all ready posted on his website. He was also quick to point out that not all of them were eating, which he didn't have to do, and I appreciated.

So the question now is, what should I order.

I want a pair of venustus in my tank eventually, does it make sense to get them both now? A small one and a larger one? Maybe don't roll the dice on the smaller one and just get the larger one.

Then there is the issue of the Regal. He has a 2" Regal from Sumatra, which he is going to give me an update on tomorrow. Truth be told, I'm not really sure where Sumatra is - could be Indo, and the price is almost double what the little dudes are - back to that "you get what you pay for" kind of thing.

I think if it's eating, I'm probably going to order that and one of the larger venustus on my makeup order and ask him to double check that they are eating prior to shipping. I feel like i'm being a pain in the Ars doing that, but I don't do any less when I buy fish locally.

I don't know what it is, but those little venustus are just really tempting, especially with the video of them eating. Of course the one he sent me may have been eating prior to shipping to, so its very possible that I end up in the same sinking boat I was in before.

Enough rambling, give me your opinions if you feel so inclined. I'm going to sleep on it tonight - while checking my thread - and make a decision in the manana after I get a status update on the Sumatran Regal. Either way, I'm hopeful to have fish to dote on this weekend.

 

[SDguy]

If he sent you a video of the pair of venustus eating that he will send you, then just get them (make sure you have the same food he feeds). And be done with it...

 

[caribfan]

agree too but...ugh...

I have pulled her out to scrape some off and will continue to do this...I hope between that and water changes she will be okay....

I'm no fish doctor, but i've heard that can actually make things worse. Could be an old fishes tail - but I've heard that can spread the disease around the tank and cause for a more prolific infection.

Not saying its true, just something I heard. I also heard that a penny cures Ich, so...

I'd tell you to make sure your water quality is superb and that you feed a good variety of food, with all the special supplements that are available to us, but I know you all ready do all that any way - probably more so than I do.

 

[caribfan]

If he sent you a video of the pair of venustus eating that he will send you, then just get them (make sure you have the same food he feeds). And be done with it...

Not a pair, so to speak, just several of the smaller variety eating. I've not done much pairing of fish, but it's something I want to do now with my bigger tank.

It seems that i've heard a smaller and a larger fish make well for a pair, but those were in regards to clown fish.

Are you saying to just order two small eating venustus for the pair?

 

[humaguy]

I'm no fish doctor, but i've heard that can actually make things worse. Could be an old fishes tail - but I've heard that can spread the disease around the tank and cause for a more prolific infection.

Not saying its true, just something I heard. I also heard that a penny cures Ich, so...

I'd tell you to make sure your water quality is superb and that you feed a good variety of food, with all the special supplements that are available to us, but I know you all ready do all that any way - probably more so than I do.

yes, thank you, I am being a bit more proactive....
I may head down there, sun or next week and would be happy to let you know how the fish are and post pics...

 

[jnc914]

With regards to Michael selling sick fish...why are my interrupta, jocs, venustsus, crosshatch doing so well? and I wonder if Bs (Utah and shipped well) feels bad about his one off killer hybrid flasher he got unexpectedly and if hj is still happy with his clarion, octopus, giant hawk fish, et al...just 2 outstanding experiences nya in the past few weeks....
Dude, welcome to the hobby but search any online vendor and you will find neg threads galore...as mentioned, I have had problems with nya just like I have had with every online vendor since 1990, it happens, period...
I got a baby navarchus last week, came in with at least 3 sites of lymp...I'm not gonna cry and post neg things about people selling sick and diseased fish and hope that others who had similar negative issue with the vendor will pile on." ....it was not nya...

I am now officially over myself...

:facepalm:

Ted--Let me say first, that I respect your insight and discussions regarding most threads in the fish forums. We both share a passion for the more sensitive fish provided to us in this hobby. That being said, any and all feedback you provide regarding NYA is clearly biased as you have admitted to being friends with Michael for 10 years, him being your LFS, him allowing you to come to his business to personally pick out your live stock, and so on and so forth. There are several threads where you blatantly come off as a shill for NYA and Michael. There have been countless times that while in the midst of a fish discussion, you crowbar in that NYA has that fish available, or you should call Michael, etc. I have seen people removed from the board for a lot less.

In regards to those who have had success with their fish, what was the average turnaround from when Michael received the fish to when you purchased the fish? All the fish you mentioned that are alive and thriving; did you personally go there and pick them out and how long were they cared for and tanked in NYA systems? Like I said earlier, I think if you have the opportunity to go to NYA and personally pick your fish, you will have success. I also believe that the less time the fish are in Michael's system, the better chance you have with getting a fish to survive.

You also mention, in a quite condescending and somewhat pompous tone, that you got a fish with lymph but don't get on here and "cry about it". That is certainly your prerogative to do so or not, but it doesn't mean that others can't do so on a public forum. You do realize that not everyone shares the same financial benefits that you may have. Some people on this thread have lost serious money dealing with NYA. My last purchase I basically was out $400+. That may not be much to you, but for many of us it is.

I apologize to Carib, but the fact of the matter is that if it was not originally mentioned by him that he got a visibly sick fish from NYA, then the discussion would not have been about NYA.

 

[caribfan]

Oh boy...can't we all just keep cool fish and get along.

 

[jnc914]

Oh boy...can't we all just keep cool fish and get along.

I miss the good old days when we had heated thread discussions on a regular basis. You should check out some of the threads from 08-10. Entertaining would be an understatement

 

[humaguy]

:facepalm:

Ted--Let me say first, that I respect your insight and discussions regarding most threads in the fish forums. We both share a passion for the more sensitive fish provided to us in this hobby. That being said, any and all feedback you provide regarding NYA is clearly biased as you have admitted to being friends with Michael for 10 years, him being your LFS, him allowing you to come to his business to personally pick out your live stock, and so on and so forth. There are several threads where you blatantly come off as a shill for NYA and Michael. There have been countless times that while in the midst of a fish discussion, you crowbar in that NYA has that fish available, or you should call Michael, etc. I have seen people removed from the board for a lot less.

In regards to those who have had success with their fish, what was the average turnaround from when Michael received the fish to when you purchased the fish? All the fish you mentioned that are alive and thriving; did you personally go there and pick them out and how long were they cared for and tanked in NYA systems? Like I said earlier, I think if you have the opportunity to go to NYA and personally pick your fish, you will have success. I also believe that the less time the fish are in Michael's system, the better chance you have with getting a fish to survive.

You also mention, in a quite condescending and somewhat pompous tone, that you got a fish with lymph but don't get on here and "cry about it". That is certainly your prerogative to do so or not, but it doesn't mean that others can't do so on a public forum. You do realize that not everyone shares the same financial benefits that you may have. Some people on this thread have lost serious money dealing with NYA. My last purchase I basically was out $400+. That may not be much to you, but for many of us it is.

I apologize to Carib, but the fact of the matter is that if it was not originally mentioned by him that he got a visibly sick fish from NYA, then the discussion would not have been about NYA.

swing and a miss...my friendship with Michael is based on rare fish, period..
if you have followed any of my threads you will see that I have had problems with nya...last dec I received an almost doa interrupta...there was the time I received a rhinecanthus rectangulus and not the rhinecatnus aculeatus as pictured on his site...
I had a baby rhinecanthus lunula arrive doa from dd...have had countless live brine from la arrive doa...waaaaaa,waaaaa....
The loss of any fish is a pita, regardless of species...
..if you are saying you lost money, without credit than do some thing about it...I have not had that experience and know plenty of happy customers...:wavehand:

 

[humaguy]

btw,,,a shill made me laugh...apparently you didn't check deep enough or you would have found my neg comments regard nya...

 

[caribfan]

swing a and a miss made me laugh, but I think it's because my Reds are making a run at those pesky Cardinals and Pirates.

 

[jnc914]

btw,,,a shill made me laugh...apparently you didn't check deep enough or you would have found my neg comments regard nya...

"swing and a miss...my friendship with Michael is based on rare fish, period.."

:rolleye1:

If you say so...I mean I guess I have to take your word for that, despite there is no way of proving that either way. I said you come off as being a shill, not that you were in fact a known shill. I didn't have to check "deep" enough to come across you mentioning NYA or calling Michael to get this fish or that in a fish discussion...You constantly promote a vendor that is not a sponsor. Maybe BrianD or Bill can clarify their terms on those type of posts. Next time I will only read your comments on RC, because they are the only ones that matter.

I would have more respect for your comments regarding NYA if you had initially stated you had similar issues like the ones that I and other RC members have had. It was only after you were called out by the other RC member, that you became defensive, and then admitted to having issues with NYA. You may have mentioned it in the past, but you certainly have not mentioned anything recently until your earlier post in this thread.

If you want to continue this argument, you can PM with your issues. I will not further take the focus away from Carib and his deceased fish. The one thing I will give you is that you are a loyal friend.

Now let's form a hippie drum circle and sing "Kumbaya". :love2:

 

[sandwi54]

So back to the fish...
Enough rambling, give me your opinions if you feel so inclined. I'm going to sleep on it tonight - while checking my thread - and make a decision in the manana after I get a status update on the Sumatran Regal. Either way, I'm hopeful to have fish to dote on this weekend.

If these were other, hardier fish, I'd say just use the credit and order the same ones. However, I would not order the difficult species again. Sorry to be blunt but I just have no faith in NYA's system and capability to keep difficult species well and disease-free prior to shipments.

Echoing what I said earlier, difficult species are just... difficult. These are the fish that you should always observe in person their behaviors and eating habit, unless the fish is from DD which has a long establishment of consistently positive customer reviews. These fish may eat in the store, but stop eating and waste away once you bring them home. With respect to regal angels, the survivability is horribly low, even for the yellow-bellied ones. It's just that most people who lose their regals don't post their experience on the web. I lost three yellow-bellied regal angels before I finally got one that survived and thrived in my tank. The three lost ones all ate well in the store (well, one is from NYA which Michael claimed was eating well), and continued to eat in my QT but still eventually died either from disease or emaciation. I guess my point is that, for difficult species, it is not enough to just see it eat. There are other aspects of health that are not evident from the eating behavior.

Why does DD charge a ridiculous $400 for a yellow-belly regal angel while typical LFS charges only $150? It's simply because DD itself may have to burn through a couple of specimens before getting one that thrives. Now looking back, I should've just spent that $400 to buy a regal from DD instead of spending $600 total on four specimens and losing three.

Anyway, I would use the credit and order a "tough" species instead of trying the venustus and regal again. I don't mean to instigate, but it doesn't mean anything whether Michael takes some video of some venustus eating. You should see that in your eyes before spending your hard-earned money.

 

[Mrscribbled]

Carib, have you thought about using your credit on one of those baby bluelines at nya?

 

[humaguy]

dude, think about it this way, in purely selfish terms...lol, why in the world would I want to share any rare fish connection I have with other people? the more that know about the source the less chance I have of possibly obtaining what I want...
I spoke with happyjack earlier and was reminded of how bummed I was with Michael when I sold him some triggers last nov or so...he didn't come thru on price and I got way less than I expected, I went out of my way to express my unhappiness with him in here countless times and avoided nya for a long time because of it, the mex finescale currently at nya was part of that collection...
but it can happen anywhere online with any vendor...

 

[aandfsoccr04]

Carib, have you thought about using your credit on one of those baby bluelines at nya?

The guy that just bought a blueline from NYA said his still isn't really eating much. I wouldn't gamble that much money on something that wasn't close to a sure bet at all.

Maybe you could work out something where you get the fish you want but could get a 7-14 day guarantee or something.