New LED Lights

The proof is in the pudding. No way to tell if it will "revolutionize" it until we see the results of long term testing.
 
Wow, that looks very promising.

You can dial in the color you want, from 6.5K-20K and they last 5 years!!!

I cant wait to see one in action.
 
i didnt think that LEDs could ever have enough true output to "feed" corals. sounds interesting but Haze is right.. I'd have to see it to believe it.
 
Here's what I posted in my club forum:
To buy this product I would first need to confirm that:
1. The par/lumen was equivalent to MH
2. The fixtures were built well and replacement parts would be available at a reasonable price.
3. If one bulb went out, the others stayed lit.

Why I would buy the product:
1. The little or no heat factor
2. Less electricity
3. LED are probably very cheap to replace, which means no replacing expensive $60-100 every 6-12 months.

So lets see for analysis assuming my requirements were met.
1. Cost about 1700 for a 48" fixture. MH fixture I would spend at least 300 for a 250w unit + actinics so 600+200=800. So about a 900 cost differential.
2. Per month on electrical saving you encounter 720-300=420 watts of savings per hour, say x10 hrs a day. So 4200 a day of savings and 1,533,000 watts per year. I don't pay the electrical but lets say a kilowatt is .04 so 1533 kilowatts saved per year, or 61.32 a year. Lets say I'm good at changing my bulbs and I run 20k's just to be comparable. So I change them every 6 months, so 70x4 bulbs a year is 280. So total increase per year is $341x3 years is over 900. Assuming that each has average incedentals etc. Lets say we run 10k bulbs and change every 9 months. So 1.33 bulbs per year x 2 bulbs at 70 is 186 + 61 = 247 so about 3.5 years to break even. This doesnt include the extra air conditioning we run to keep the tank cool, or possible chiller. Fans probably don't add on a large amount of power consumption or cost.

Given that I have an average turn over of lights of around 6 months, this probably isn't a good idea for me to invest in until more conclusive research is done.
 
The question is, they say the bulbs will last 5 years. It says NOTHING about spectral integrity. I've seen halides last almost 5 years, and we replace them at 9 months.

LEDS do degrade if they get hot.

I was at IMAC, and they looked nice, but honestly, I didnt see them as anything more than novel. They need to come WAY down in price. They have a very narrow cone, so you're going to need more of these fixtures than you would halides.

As to your price analysis, almost everythign there for halides was much higher than real world (except the electricity cost)
 
I was wondering when this would happen with new applications in cars, reading lamps, etc. I would be sceptical on what depth penetration this type of light would be able to handle along with total usable par...
 
I think LED technology might be ready in 5 years, but I wasn't impressed with the intensity of the lights. They were cool and I liked how you could adjust the color, but they were not that bright.
I'm glad companies like PFO are looking into the future and developing lighting systems like these.
 
I believe they mentioned 2x the strength of a 20k XM, so I would assume either 175 or 250w SE. Most likely 250.

Perhaps they are not a good idea to purchase now as they will certainly need some tweaking. But as Rich said, come 5 years they may be the new thing. Look how far this hobby has come in the last 5 years, it's absolutely amazing!
 
they are high intesity led. i use them on my radio controled planes to fly at night. they are so bright you can not look at them in the day light. they burn your eye's. the price is not worth it but it is a 24 inch depth they show in the info. my tank is deeper. price should drop if people can wait the leds only cost 25 cents each. just a guess. with the right power supply. you could make one of these cheap. try to take us for the electric we will save.
 
i have a friend who is a lighting architect major goign for his masters and he assures me that LEDS are not ready.
1. theire spectrum shifts before they have even reach half of thier life span.
2. the rated life span is the time it takes for at least 50% of the bulbs to burn out, meaning half the bulbs u buy will NOT last their rated life span.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7285960#post7285960 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by szwab
did thet say what wattage MH they were equivelent to?
On their PAR meter, running next to a 250w MH - above the water it read much higher output than the 250w DE [looked 10k, but IMO was a lower output MH bulb].
About 6" below the water, the readings still were higher for the LED's - not the couple of times higher above the water, though.

I'd love to see them in longer-term use, but was suprised by how far they are compared to what I've seen before. The fact that they're shipping product this summer is a big step forward.

I tend to avoid being an early-adopter, and don't consider a shallow conference-show tank to be the best comparison [as my MH's shine at 12-18" deep in the tank, IMO] ... but it was a slick fixture, was nice to consider that it's coming. For a non-Acro-dominated tank ... they'd be quite tempting.

That `dial in the color you like' is sweet.
 
I will have to agree that LEDs aren't quite ready to be accepted into the hobby just yet. It turns out that many LEDs lose intensity fairly quickly. I first noticed it with a few I had at home and some of the bulbs that we used at work. I was never really sure if the bulb intensity was decreasing or if I was just becoming accustomed to the light until I did some side by side observations of aged bulbs and new bulbs. There was a HUGE intensity difference. By the way, none of the bulbs were ever overpowered.
I found another account of this dimming over at nano-reef. Check out page #4 http://www.nano-reef.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=81344&st=60
There is one more thread about this over at nano-reef but I can't seem to find it, someone link it for me if they spot it.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7288133#post7288133 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by MiddletonMark
On their PAR meter, running next to a 250w MH - above the water it read much higher output than the 250w DE [looked 10k, but IMO was a lower output MH bulb].
Yeah, the think says 20K, but it looked whiter than that. It also looked NOWHERE near as bright as my 10Ks. Like not even 1/2.
 
It would be cool if they could have a timer that shifted from low to high kelvin and back over the course of a day. It would eliminate the need for a separate dawn/dusk system.

Do LEDs give glimmer lines?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7290450#post7290450 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by G-money
It would be cool if they could have a timer that shifted from low to high kelvin and back over the course of a day. It would eliminate the need for a separate dawn/dusk system.

Do LEDs give glimmer lines?

NO, not like halides anyways. If it was a single LED giving all this light, yes, but its a whole bunch of them (there looked to be maybe 6x6 on each LED patch on the fixture, so its a big light source)
 
Re: New LED Lights

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7283046#post7283046 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by FastFish720
Just your thoughts on how this might revolutionalize our sps community.

Yes... And T5's were supposed to revolutionize our tanks but seems like the vast majority of reefers still prefer MHs.
 
T5s have given an alternative though. Plenty of people are running SPS under them.

The thing is, for most people, theres no reason to change if your current lights work fine, and the running costs are not significantly different (whcih theyre not)
 
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