New ORA Release

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13479171#post13479171 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 60Cubed
It is extortion. A way to sell all the fish that breed like crazy that they wouldn't sell otherwise. If their fish sell so good, why must they force them on LFS's for them to get the frags? You are just defending their unfair tactics to sell fish no one wants!

Plus, they limit the frags even if you buy fish. So what does the fish have to do with distribution of the limited coral. You can still limit the coral, just don't force them to buy the fish. Yeah it makes economic sense to ORA but that don't make it right. This should let them know the money is in the coral not the fish!

And that frag doesn't look like anything special. It should still look better in person, but I'll probably never get to see it or not for a while until my LFS can sell the last fish shipment and order again. Who knows when that will be!?!


What doesn't look special to you may look very special to others.

Instead of complaining about ORA maybe you should be complaining to your LFS. Maybe your LFS should start buying TR fish instead of getting the cheap wild caught stuff. It's funny to me how ORA's business plan works very well for them but in your eyes it should change:rolleyes:

How about you open a business and let everybody else tell you how to run it!!
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13479478#post13479478 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by paintballer768
Which are?

The red planet and purple plasma.

The problem isn't the price of the fish or that they are tank raised or not. The problem is that it is an extra burden on the LFS to order fish he may not need to get corals he could sell. Maybe he still has a crapload of little "nemos" from the last shipment he had to place in order to get the last shipment of corals and they don't need any more. ORA is FORCING these fish on the LFS and they might not want or need them. It is extortion plain and simple.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13480238#post13480238 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 60Cubed
The red planet and purple plasma.

The problem isn't the price of the fish or that they are tank raised or not. The problem is that it is an extra burden on the LFS to order fish he may not need to get corals he could sell. Maybe he still has a crapload of little "nemos" from the last shipment he had to place in order to get the last shipment of corals and they don't need any more. ORA is FORCING these fish on the LFS and they might not want or need them. It is extortion plain and simple.

Dude.. no one forces anyone to do anything. There are plenty of secondary sources for ORA frags. ORA isn't holding a gun to their heads and threatening them. Its their business to run as they want, LFS's can deal with them or not, its their choice. Its not extortion, its not highway robbery. Its obvious you don't have much business experience because you would know that this is a standard practice in many industries where to get a hot product or certain products, you have to buy minimums of others.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13480262#post13480262 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by DaveJ
Its obvious you don't have much business experience because you would know that this is a standard practice in many industries where to get a hot product or certain products, you have to buy minimums of others.


That's funny since I own two very successful businesses!

Just because they perform that practice doesn't make it right. Do I understand why they do it? YEAH. Do I agree with it? NO. Or any other company that does so. That means they have inventory they aren't moving and are forcing dealers to buy in order to get the product that is. If this weren't the case they wouldn't have to do it.

If every gas station made every person that wanted to buy gas buy $50 worth of product from there store to get it, would that be okay with you? I surely doubt it. Could they do it? YEAH. Does it make it right? NO. But it would make perfect business sense to do so.

The problem is you don't feel the up front cost. I f you did you would not agree with this practice!
 
If your store moved enough of the ORA fish to keep you in the frags that you are after would this topic even have come up? No, of course not. It's not about being right or wrong , it's not a moral issue. It's their business and what they are doing is legal and profitable. You're not mad at them for what they are doing . You are mad at them because what they are doing is keeping you from getting what you want in a convenient way. I say convenient way because you could always order them from a larger vendor that moves more and the one per order for some of the corals is not exactly etched in stone.
 
And they will charge a ridiculous amount per frag to compensate for the added expense to get them. Yes I am upset that they would put this burden on the companies that keep them in business. And my LFS could order more freqently because he wouldn't be FORCED to buy things that he isn't moving.

I've made my point. I don't agree. So some do. I will stop writing about it.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13480325#post13480325 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 60Cubed
That's funny since I own two very successful businesses!

Just because they perform that practice doesn't make it right. Do I understand why they do it? YEAH. Do I agree with it? NO. Or any other company that does so. That means they have inventory they aren't moving and are forcing dealers to buy in order to get the product that is. If this weren't the case they wouldn't have to do it.

If every gas station made every person that wanted to buy gas buy $50 worth of product from there store to get it, would that be okay with you? I surely doubt it. Could they do it? YEAH. Does it make it right? NO. But it would make perfect business sense to do so.

The problem is you don't feel the up front cost. I f you did you would not agree with this practice!

To your example.. yes... the gas station would have every right to sell however they wanted. My choice as a consumer would be to buy from them, including the $50 from the store or not. If I wanted the gas, I would buy the stuff. If not, then I wouldn't and would go someplace else. You're example falls dramatically short in the simple fact that the LFS's have a choice.... buy ORA products from ORA or get them from someone else, or not buy/carry them at all. Again... its a choice. Its not a right. You seem to think that they have a right to buy only what they want, when they want and how they want... they don't. They have a right to choose to purchase from ORA following their selling practices or not, that is it.. period.

In the end this is all moot anyway... a LFS or anyone for that matter can obtain the ORA products from any number of sources without the minimum purchases.... just not at wholesale/ORA prices. If they want the price breaks, they buy the fish too. Otherwise they have to get them from someone who did.

Another point that you seem to either be ignoring or not aware of, just about EVERY distributor in this industry, or wholesaler for that matter, has a minimum purchase policy be it required minimum product purchases or flat $ amounts. Its not just ORA, its nearly everyone who deals in livestock and or drygoods. If you are so upset with ORA, you should be upset with every distributor or wholesaler. Sounds like you just have axe to grind with ORA and/or the limited distribution/selling of certain corals in general.
 
Being required to purchase a minimum is totally different than what ORA is doing. ORA is dictating what product you have to buy in order to "qualify" to purchase the other product. I would have no problem with that. As long as they didn't say "you have to buy this many X to get Y." Just make them buy a minimum of Y. That would be fine. But when you make someone buy a specific product to get another is extortion. And it also says you have issues with selling the product you are forcing the minimum on. If they didn't have a problem selling them, they wouldn't need to do this? Makes perfect sense to me. I just don't see how you guys don't see that!

You couldn't buy from another gas station if they all did it! Then you would be FORCED to buy the $50 worth of product to get gas. I don't have an axe to grind I just think this practice sucks and disagree with it.

I debated even responding again but I couldn't resist! Geesh I would think most of you work for them the way you defend them! I like their corals. I own quite a few of them. But I don't agree with their selling practices.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13480491#post13480491 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 60Cubed
Being required to purchase a minimum is totally different than what ORA is doing. ORA is dictating what product you have to buy in order to "qualify" to purchase the other product. I would have no problem with that. As long as they didn't say "you have to buy this many X to get Y." Just make them buy a minimum of Y. That would be fine. But when you make someone buy a specific product to get another is extortion. And it also says you have issues with selling the product you are forcing the minimum on. If they didn't have a problem selling them, they wouldn't need to do this? Makes perfect sense to me. I just don't see how you guys don't see that!

You couldn't buy from another gas station if they all did it! Then you would be FORCED to buy the $50 worth of product to get gas. I don't have an axe to grind I just think this practice sucks and disagree with it.

I debated even responding again but I couldn't resist! Geesh I would think most of you work for them the way you defend them! I like their corals. I own quite a few of them. But I don't agree with their selling practices.

If all the gas stations did it.. I can assure you that there would be an alternative sources of gas.. that is the way a free market works. There is always someone else selling it cheaper someplace in order to sell more.

Look, you can disagree with it, I'm not saying that you can't. All I am saying is that your claims of extortion are simply inaccurate and totally off base. Its not extortion... there is no penalty for the stores not buying from them. ORA is not restricting access to selling the product, they are simply restricting how they are purchased.

If you had left it at "I don't agree with their selling practices.." you wouldn't have got the responses. Its when you toss around 'rights' or 'extortion' etc when people respond. If I was a LFS, I wouldn't like it... but if I wanted to sell their products or I had enough customers who wanted them and it would be profitable to sell them, I would buy from them grudgingly. But again.. I would have that choice.. they would not be forcing me or threating to break my kneecaps to make the purchase. That is the difference between choice and extortion.
 
you know our LFS sells the ORA clowns at or around cost just so he can blow them out and get more corals.so far he has been able to get all the NEW corals right away and sell the fish as well.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13480893#post13480893 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by CMcNeil
you know our LFS sells the ORA clowns at or around cost just so he can blow them out and get more corals.so far he has been able to get all the NEW corals right away and sell the fish as well.

Thats what a lfs neap me does too.
Not a bad thing because now i see them getting in picasso's for $75, and snowflakes for $250. The snowflakes are more expensive. But ORA does not release many at all. You have to bug the hell out of them and they might give ya one pair.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13480430#post13480430 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 60Cubed
I've made my point. I don't agree. So some do. I will stop writing about it.
:thumbsup:
 
OK picked up my Borealis, Pearlberry and a German green w/blue polyp today. Unfortunately the shipment was supposed to arrive yesterday and FedEx screwed it up. Got delayed in TN over night so...gonna do a slooow drip acclimate and will try and post some picks in a few hours for you all. :) We'll see how well things hold up...
 
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This is the Belina and it looks beautiful. I'm going to have to add it to my wish list.
 
OK all, the new release Borealis is freakin sick!!! The colors of this thing are ELECTRIC!!!!!!! Unreal. WoW!! Enjoy! :) (Thanks Joe ;))

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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13478649#post13478649 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by reefer334
Sweet piece Ron!!!

I just bought the red planet and the bellina so now I will have to get this one to.

Thanks Chris!

I know some of you didn't really think much of this piece, but I am pretty happy with it.

cato: Congrats on getting yours in. I am glad to see there are a few others that do like this one. Let me know when that German green grows out, I would love to pick up a frag!
 
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