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Actually, around this time of year 16 hours of light at night is nearly as long as it is dark, about 15 hours by the end of the month.
 
Paul B,

You really can't explain that to a non-diver. The salt water fish in my store have that "pacing" activity that you often see in zoo animals going back and forth.. back and forth in a pattern activity. They seem aimless in their movement.

In the sea everything seems to move with a purpose, everyone has their turf and feeding area and they protect it when they can or retreat to come back when the threat is gone. The biggest thing I sense is the territorial nature of most everything in the sea. I've dived the same site a dozen or so times over the period of a month and the same characters are there. It's like every quarter acre in the sea has its own community and population. We even found a 5' barracuda who rarely wandered more than a few hundred yards from his "home". Only the schooling fish seemed to travel to any extent. As many as 300-500 tarpon would zoom through or thousands of tiny silver fish would swirl by. All the other reef fish just watching it all go by like so many people standing by a freeway.

I loved diving in 30 to 45 feet where there was lots of sunlight and just finding a quiet place to sit for an hour and watch. I'll post a few pictures I have from dives if you'd be interested.

Bill
 
Alan,

It is very nice for a fuge and should do the job admirably.

Question Bill--Do you need to know how to swim to go SCUBA diving? ;)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13899509#post13899509 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by WaterKeeper
Alan,

It is very nice for a fuge and should do the job admirably.

Question Bill--Do you need to know how to swim to go SCUBA diving? ;)

no Tom--just let the weight belt do its job and you will sink quite nicely;) :lol:
 
I've dived the same site a dozen or so times over the period of a month and the same characters are there. It's like every quarter acre in the sea has its own community and population

Bill, you mean there people here who don't dive? Why not?
As for the same animals haunting the same place, I am basically a lobster and wreck diver. We have over 200 wrecks aroung Long Island and I have been diving them since the seventees.
There is a place with this lobster which is too large to get caught in a trap and I never took her because she must produce 5,000,000 eggs. Anyway I always used to visit her whenever I dove there and I would spear a flounder for her dinner when ever I could.
That lobster is just off the home owned by Arizona Ice Tea founder and is one of the largest homes on the Sound.

I know I can't explain the behavior of captive animals to non divers but there are many people who dive and I wanted to point out that no matter how healthy our animals are, they are no where like free ocean animals.

Waterkeeper, you don't have to know how to swim to dive, but you do have to know how to sink :D
I have a boat and all the equipment for at least two divers, whenever you want to go I will show you how to sink.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13900429#post13900429 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Paul B
Bill, you mean there people here who don't dive? Why not?
As for the same animals haunting the same place, I am basically a lobster and wreck diver. We have over 200 wrecks aroung Long Island and I have been diving them since the seventees.
There is a place with this lobster which is too large to get caught in a trap and I never took her because she must produce 5,000,000 eggs. Anyway I always used to visit her whenever I dove there and I would spear a flounder for her dinner when ever I could.
That lobster is just off the home owned by Arizona Ice Tea founder and is one of the largest homes on the Sound.

I know I can't explain the behavior of captive animals to non divers but there are many people who dive and I wanted to point out that no matter how healthy our animals are, they are no where like free ocean animals.

Waterkeeper, you don't have to know how to swim to dive, but you do have to know how to sink :D
I have a boat and all the equipment for at least two divers, whenever you want to go I will show you how to sink.

I believe CSI New York did an episode on the wrecks in the Hudson River.
 
Yeah, I saw that. It was Paul's boat that was featured.

It may have been, I do get to the Hudson occasionally.
Some trips to the Statue Of Liberty I go across the Harlem River to the Hudson :lol:

I took this this year on the East River which is not really a river and I don't know why we call it that.
The East River as you know is an estuary.
It is salt water that just connects the Long Island Sound to New York Harbor.
All rivers are fresh water.
If we continue to the left on this picture we come to the Statue Of Liberty and on the other side of that is the Hudson. If you go up the Hudson a few miles to the Bronx you can make a right and go up the Harlem River which is just an extension of the East "River" and it empties into the Hudson so that would not be a river either.
I am such a geography guru.
This is the South Street Seaport. To the extreme rleft you can see a sailing ship. When I was young (yes I was young) where you see that sailing ship was the Fulton Fish Market and the fishing boats used to dump the fresh caught fish there on the sidewalk. I used to climb of the up side down live sea turtles and play with the fish.
Then when I got a little older and they kind of moved out the Mob, I helped build the South Street Sea port


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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13900771#post13900771 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Paul B
It may have been, I do get to the Hudson occasionally.
Some trips to the Statue Of Liberty I go across the Harlem River to the Hudson :lol:

I took this this year on the East River which is not really a river and I don't know why we call it that.
The East River as you know is an estuary.
It is salt water that just connects the Long Island Sound to New York Harbor.
All rivers are fresh water.
If we continue to the left on this picture we come to the Statue Of Liberty and on the other side of that is the Hudson. If you go up the Hudson a few miles to the Bronx you can make a right and go up the Harlem River which is just an extension of the East "River" and it empties into the Hudson so that would not be a river either.
I am such a geography guru.
This is the South Street Seaport. To the extreme rleft you can see a sailing ship. When I was young (yes I was young) where you see that sailing ship was the Fulton Fish Market and the fishing boats used to dump the fresh caught fish there on the sidewalk. I used to climb of the up side down live sea turtles and play with the fish.
Then when I got a little older and they kind of moved out the Mob, I helped build the South Street Sea port


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it might of been the east river then because star fish were eating out the eyes of the dead divers who were killed with an arsenic hypodermic.:eek2:
It was the star fish that were the crime scene locators.
 
it might of been the east river then because star fish were eating out the eyes of the dead divers who were killed with an arsenic hypodermic.

It probably was the Hudson. There are starfish and crabs miles up the Hudson. The river is at sea level way past the Bronx.
At high tide they have what is called a tidal surge where sea water flows up the river.
The East river is very deep and the currents are very strong. I have seen huge oil tankers crash against bridge supports.
They generate electricity on the bed of the East river.
I think I saw that episode of CSI, When I saw the underwater scenes I thought it was Waterkeepers reef. I think it also has a DSB :lol:

East River again.

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Great picture, Paul. I can't imagine diving in the waters around Manhatten. I'd be afraid I'd come up on a car with bodies or someone wearing concrete boots! Isn't the water nearly toxic??

The only murky diving I've done is in Clarks Hill Lake here and it's pretty bad but when they built the dam, they flooded thousands of acres of land and submerged the town of Petersburg, GA. I dived that.. about 50' to 80' and rarely clear enough to see much but the drought had levels down and vis was nearly75' and you could see the buildings, streets and there were even a few cars and trucks left behind. Weird. Looked like a sci fi movie.

I've only dived in the British Virgin Islands in the last 20 years. And Tom, you don't need to know how to swim. My fav dive buddy can't swim a lick. As they said, you only need to know how to sink and fly through the water weightlessly. It's very relaxing and exhilerating at the same time. Diving in crystal clear Caribbean water is a marvelous experience where the visibility can be up to 200'. The other huge plus is that the water temp is between 78 (winter) and 83 (summer) so you don't need wet/dry suits or even skins.

This guy pretty much lives around the wreck of the RMS Rhone off Salt Island and gets visitors on a daily basis. He seems to enjoy posing for pictures.


This young man.. or gal.. was about 4' across front to back and actually circled back after the strobe went off to see what we were all about.


Come down to the BVI with us, Tom, and we'll teach you to dive. Even know a place to sit by brain coral the size of VWs. :)
 
Isn't the water nearly toxic??

It has been working in my reef for 40 years, how bad could it be?

<------------<<<< I took this picture of my crab avitar in the water near the city. That crab was about a half inch long and as you can see, behind the crab is dark. Thats because the visability in the western Sound ranges from zero to about three feet. It is usually closer to two feet. The visability in the Hudson is closer to zero.
It is not exactly like Tahiti diving, there is no real swimming going on (perfect for Waterkeeper) we kind of pull ourself over the rocks with our face near the bottom to see the lobster antenna sticking out from under a boulder. The Sound was carved out by a glacier and it left oldsmobile sized boulders strewn all over the bottom. Perfect for lobsters, urchins and crabs.
I have almost 200 dives in the western Sound.
We once swam into the boilers of a ship by accident and came upon a rusty wall. The visability was about 6" and when we tried to surface we found that there was steel above us too so we had to crawl out backwards.
Thats "Man" diving. None of that 500' visability which is for sissies. Anyone can dive when you can see. :D
Here you have to be able to do everything blind.
But the good part is whatever sunk here is still here. You will never find anything in the Caribbean as I have been looking for many years. I also don't like diving in a place where 14,000 divers have already been, I like to be in a place where I know I may find something.
Even in Tahiti we found places off the beaten trail where few divers go to.
I am not really a tourist.
This is Execution Light house in the middle of the Western Sound between long Island and New Rochelle. George Washington commissioned it. It used to be a great dive site because few people dove here. We found machine gun bandoliers and all sorts of interesting bottles. The inside was filled with WW 2 radio and Radar equipment which we found once when we went ashore to check out our catch and found the door kicked down.
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This is me on the rocks of Execution light house
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WATERKEEPER
Where does one obtain Cheeto for ones refugium? And Paul I'm sorry but I don't dive (except in dumpsters :p :p)
Many thanks
 
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Chaeto is just about as common as crab grass. You can get it at the LFS, on-line or just about any reefkeeper that has a fuge. Don't forget, the main reason to have it is to export nutrients by havesting it. Unless you have many tanks in progress you put it in the circular file or flush it (that is the reason caulerpa is banned in CA).

I was about to say to Paul that the Hudson is saltwater pretty far upstream because of tidal flow (take it from someone who spend his elementary years living less than a half mile from the river ;)). Does that make it an estuary?

Actually I know. A river is an estuary if it empties into the ocean and is influenced by tides. Almost all coastal rivers are therefore estuaries. Here's a vid of the tidal surge on the Quiantang River in China Tidal Bore China. They are not like that on the Hudson however. ;)
 
I thought that video was your Dump bucket.
Yes many rivers act as estuaries near the sea but they would still be called rivers because they started out as fresh water.
The East River was never fresh water and was always a pure estuary which is a fancy word for canal or in the case of the East River, Sewer.

Only rivers away from the equator would act as estuaries as the rivers near the equator do not have much of a tide and no tidal surge. Our tide here in NY is about 8'
 
Let's get your facts straight Paul. Your saying the East River is not a river at all. That means it is a, let me think on that; Oh yeah, a strait. :D
 
Well maybe a crooked strait. It is an estuary and a tidal estuary at that. Every six hours it reverses flow. You can surf on it.
All of the water in the western Sound tries to go through that 200 yards or so of estuary.
There is also a multi million dollar treasure burried in there.
It was the English payroll from the revolutionary war. The ship sunk near Hells Gate and it is still there. It is 30' below the mud but the water flows much too fast and we do not have the technology to get it. It is too deep for a cofferdam, the water flows too fast and you can't obstruct the water way.
There are only two routes into the city by water and that is one of them.
That ship is about two miles west of here.

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