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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10283672#post10283672 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by dcombs44
Paul still uses an under gravel (reverse) filter :) :)

Yes he does. Paul actually perfected the technique of the UG. It's the only way to run one if you will: In reverse with slow & "filtered" throughput using coarse granulated gravel. In his case dolomite which helps reduce "snow storms" or sandy dispersions. We are referring here to the standard "factual" UG in popular use. Which were rapidly sucking & packing unfiltered water with detritus into the aquarium gravel :)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10283759#post10283759 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by plandy
Yes he does. Paul actually perfected the technique of the UG. It's the only way to run one if you will: In reverse with slow & "filtered" throughput using coarse granulated gravel. In his case dolomite which helps reduce "snow storms" or sandy dispersions. We are referring here to the standard "factual" UG in popular use. Which were rapidly sucking & packing unfiltered water with detritus into the aquarium gravel :)

I know, I know. I just had to throw it out there, and I agree with your point.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10283744#post10283744 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by silverwolf72
What in this hobby can anyone say that they are 100% sure about?! One day something is the best thing for your tank next day it's OMG don't do that you'll kill your whole tank!

Exactly. That's the exact reason that in my eyes, no one can be an expert aquarist. A professional aquarist; sure. There are good and bad of both. An expert in a field that involves aquariums; no doubt about it. But an actual "expert aquarist" is just hooey in my eyes.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10283744#post10283744 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by silverwolf72
What in this hobby can anyone say that they are 100% sure about?! One day something is the best thing for your tank next day it's OMG don't do that you'll kill your whole tank!

It's kind of like coffee. Is it good for you, or is it bad? lol
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10283841#post10283841 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Travis L. Stevens
Exactly. That's the exact reason that in my eyes, no one can be an expert aquarist. A professional aquarist; sure. There are good and bad of both. An expert in a field that involves aquariums; no doubt about it. But an actual "expert aquarist" is just hooey in my eyes.

I don't know what you're talking about...

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Peter, my favorite, but old, was the "under gravel filter". Which in essence is nothing more than an "in-tank" septic system spewing tons of nitrates around the clock.

Dam, I wish you haden't corrected that remark. I really love it when I hear that one. :lol:

Anyway as was said there are no aquarium experts. I have read all the books by all the experts since salt books were written. I also am not the God of fish and I have to disagree with much of the information in these books. There is no one that could be an expert in this hobby because there are just too many facets of it. I have a cousin who is a marine biology professor. When I speak to him I am amazed at the amount of knowledge he does NOT have. He does know the names both common and Latin of various worms and microscope creatures. But when he looks in my reef he is totally overwhelmed. To become a marine biology professor he had to SCUBA dive once. Thats it, once.
Since he is a professor he is a recognized expert in the field.
Would I take any aquarium advice from him? No.
Many of the people (not all) are Marine biologists or professors and are experts on the subject but none of them learned or took a course in aquarium husbandry because there is no such course.
There is no course because it is not a science but a hobby, a hobby by defination is an enjoyable pasttime. You can't be a doctor of an enjoyable pasttime.


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The best way to gain knowledge is to experience failure. Unfortunately failure in this endeavor could be expensive thats why I try to tell noobs to start with damsels. How many times do we hear "my tank cycled yesterday, when can I add a Naso tang?

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After so many years I know all sorts of things that I do not try to keep anymore because I have failed at it. I also know what I can keep and keep well. Don't take advice about an animal from someone who only had one and his tank is 6 months old. Almost anything will live 6 months, even if it does not hardly eat.
I also love the ones where people say they have never changed water and their tank looks great after three years. Any tank can go three years without a water change, three years means nothing, try ten years without a water change. Just about all of our animals including small damsels live over ten years and corals live longer than us. If you want to take advice, take it from someone who has the animal you are thinking about for many years. Many people, even the people who write books never had an old tank. I know of at least two authors that have never even had a tank. Just because something is in print does not mean it is correct. I have published about 16 articles on this subject, as a matter of fact, everything I have ever submitted to a magazine has been published. Why would any one listen to me, I have no formal education on fish and no credentials but my articles are published anyway. Of course I believe what I wrote is correct but it is only my opinion. Good thing I don't write about all of my beliefs and opinions or I would be on fire from all the flaming I would get :lol:
Anyway, enough rambling, Have fun, take your wife out and don't take this stuff too seriousely.
Paul:wavehand:
 
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I would have to disagree with the experts on this topic. I do believe that 10,000 post makes you practically an expert. if you have read that many threads and have posted that many times and don't know a heck of a lot then you have got to be almost brain dead. I mean its like saying that a person who has attended college and written 5 papers is no smarter than a person who has written 6000 papers. It just cant be true, that many posts, you better believe that person knows a little something about something. I mean come on, look at the big posters: Anthony, dc, Paul, Travis, boomer, bomber, bertoni, drummer, bean, ect... I would take advice form any one of those people. and I can almost guarantee that any one of them would back up their opinion with a good link if asked to. Post count does mean something.
Now, IMO, tank size and fancy equipment do not equate to knowledge, thats the reason I have never included my stuff in my signature. I don't want someone to take my advice just because my tank is 300 gallons. I also hate when I see people discount great advice on a large tank just because the poster runs a 30 gal.
just my .02
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10283554#post10283554 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Peter Eichler
I still suggest people new to the hobby buy a good book or four, but you don't see a whole lot of other people doing it. Forums and the internet has gotten so mainstream that many people rely on it for all their info. I think that's one of the big reasons why why have such a wealth of bad info floating around. However, it also means we have a wealth of good info at out finger tips.

As a newbie, I agree. We should be getting our advice from multiple sources and taking responsibility for becoming educated. I value my books and try to get second, third or more opinions in the hobby.

Sincerely, this isn't a problem that is specific to aquariums. The dynamic that the thread is discussing is just how boards on the net work. Buyer beware when seeking advice.
 
i have to disagree, judging someone and or there advice on post count alone is not a good idea. i could link you to many profiles where the people have very high post counts but if you look at the posts they are full of comments like "nice tank" and "that should work" and i could also link you to people that have less then 100 that are brilliant. take the info and advice given on this or any board and use it as a starting point for your own research.

if you just take someones word for things your really missing out on how things work and are intertwined
 
They are sometimes related but the examples aren't the same in my opinon. In the case of the student writing papers someone with a level of expertise graded their work and judged it. There is no such thing on a message board. I could post 500 "wow great tank!" responses but does that make me more knowledgable than someone with 10 posts? Not really.


<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10285902#post10285902 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by scarter
I would have to disagree with the experts on this topic. I do believe that 10,000 post makes you practically an expert. if you have read that many threads and have posted that many times and don't know a heck of a lot then you have got to be almost brain dead. I mean its like saying that a person who has attended college and written 5 papers is no smarter than a person who has written 6000 papers. It just cant be true, that many posts, you better believe that person knows a little something about something. I mean come on, look at the big posters: Anthony, dc, Paul, Travis, boomer, bomber, bertoni, drummer, bean, ect... I would take advice form any one of those people. and I can almost guarantee that any one of them would back up their opinion with a good link if asked to. Post count does mean something.
Now, IMO, tank size and fancy equipment do not equate to knowledge, thats the reason I have never included my stuff in my signature. I don't want someone to take my advice just because my tank is 300 gallons. I also hate when I see people discount great advice on a large tank just because the poster runs a 30 gal.
just my .02
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10286038#post10286038 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mbbuna

if you just take someones word for things your really missing out on how things work and are intertwined [/B]

Exactly! For me I use this board to discover things I might not have thought about before. And then I take that new topic and go research it further. I try to give back by answering what I can.
 
scarter, thank you for the vote of confidence, but might doesn't make right, as they say. Sure, I've been around the boards a lot, seen a lot of things, learned a lot of things, etc. But there is a huge amount that I am still learning (and forever will be). On the other hand, what you say does hold some validity. The problem is, it doesn't hold true in every scenario. There are a select few out there that fall between the cracks or are elevated to a status that isn't deserving, and that goes for any educational field or hobby.
 
sure Travis, there are a few out there with a couple thousand posts that I would just as soon put on the ignore list, but in the case of a noob that doesn't know who the players are, I would suggest taking the advice from the guy with 10,000 posts over the advice of the guy with 2 posts. (thus assuming that you know nothing of either posters experience or knowledge base). Seems like a basic principle to me. lets put it this way, of the top posters I know of I can think of two that are jerks and know relatively little about the hobby. I could name about a hundred of them with about 300 posts.

Just IMO, IME, and I HTH ;)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10286640#post10286640 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Peter Eichler
Sometimes a lot of posts means someones just recycles the same bad info more often...

True. The real key, for anyone, is to become involved in the community here. If a person spends even a minimal amount of time reading other posts (besides their own), they will quickly learn who is "reliable," who is parroting what they read, and who is out in left field standing by themselves.

You can't just pop in, ask a question, and run with the first answer you get (or as some we've all seen, wait until you get the answer you were waiting for, then run with it).

Kevin
 
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