Nova Extreme t5 question

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9839804#post9839804 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by pjf
The 3x figure comes from comparing a parabolic reflector with no reflector.

Without a reflector, only the bottom third (120 degrees) of the light reaches the substrate.
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The remaining 240 degrees of light (represented by the red curve above) illuminates your walls and ceiling.

Beyond 120 degrees, the shallow angle causes light to pass through the aquarium glass instead of being reflected back into the tank by the glass walls. Shallow light often “leaks” through the side glass of a rectangular aquarium and illuminates the floor on the left and right side of the stand.

Here’s what should happen when an individual parabolic reflector is used:
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The upper 240 degrees of light is directed downwards. There is a small loss of light that goes straight up and is reflected back into the tube. The larger the reflector is in relation to the tube, the more effective the reflector. A narrow diameter T5 tube enhances the reflector’s effectiveness. Bending retrofitted reflectors to fit into a small area is not optimal.

Without individual parabolic reflectors, a significant portion of light is blocked by neighboring tubes or passes through the aquarium glass without reaching the substrate. How much depends on the geometry and can be determined by measuring the PAR.

Another inexpensive alternative to consider is to build a canopy with T5 components and individual reflectors. You can start with a canopy, a ballast and two tubes/reflectors. A second set of ballast and tubes/reflectors can be added later.

now, i'm not going to clown anyone for this, but if you take your drawing of the individual reflector and stretch the apex of your curve, you would have the reflector in a nova. i agree that "some" light would be blocked by the other tubes within this same single reflector, but come on - it shouldn't be enough to even make a marginal difference. i'm beginning to think that everyone here that is bashing the nova's reflector hasn't seen the reflector at all. it's not just a flat piece of reflective material, and it does continue down the interior sides of the fixture. then i start to think that even if you've seen the fixture, then most of you must think that the lamps only emit light from the bottom 180º of the lamp and really believe that the reflector is a vacuum as mentioned above.

the funny thing is, i still haven't seen the comparison par numbers either, but i'm starting to think why... everyone is so caught up in the fact that the more it costs, the better it is. in this hobby, that is usually the case - BUT apparently kodyboy holds stock in the typhoon and a bunch of others love the new jebo skimmers. you can mod a prism and it apparently can keep up with or outperform coralife's skimmers. i think once these fixtures get placed side by side with the same bulbs in each, the par differences will vary some, but not much - then everyone with these high dollar fixtures will kick themselves.
 
Oak Canopy & Retrofit Kit Suggestion

Oak Canopy & Retrofit Kit Suggestion

Here is a suggested plan for a wood canopy and a T5HO retrofit kit.

(1) Finished 36” oak enclosure - #52362 ($45): http://www.ahsupply.com/finished_enclosures.htm

(2) 4x39w T5 retrofit kit with bulbs ($289): http://www.reefgeek.com/lighting/T5...:_4-39W_T5_HO_Fluorescents_by_Sunlight_Supply

There are many options. You can start with a 2x39w retrofit kit ($149) and add a second 2x39w kit later (or even a metal halide kit). You can upgrade by substituting Icecap reflectors for the Tek Light reflectors. You can also do more yourself using Workhorse ballasts with wiring diagrams available at: www.fulham.com

Other retrofit kit retailers include:
www.aquariumspecialty.com
www.diyreef.com
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9840474#post9840474 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by sneeyatch
now, i'm not going to clown anyone for this, but if you take your drawing of the individual reflector and stretch the apex of your curve, you would have the reflector in a nova. i agree that "some" light would be blocked by the other tubes within this same single reflector, but come on - it shouldn't be enough to even make a marginal difference. i'm beginning to think that everyone here that is bashing the nova's reflector hasn't seen the reflector at all. it's not just a flat piece of reflective material, and it does continue down the interior sides of the fixture. then i start to think that even if you've seen the fixture, then most of you must think that the lamps only emit light from the bottom 180º of the lamp and really believe that the reflector is a vacuum as mentioned above.

the funny thing is, i still haven't seen the comparison par numbers either, but i'm starting to think why... everyone is so caught up in the fact that the more it costs, the better it is. in this hobby, that is usually the case - BUT apparently kodyboy holds stock in the typhoon and a bunch of others love the new jebo skimmers. you can mod a prism and it apparently can keep up with or outperform coralife's skimmers. i think once these fixtures get placed side by side with the same bulbs in each, the par differences will vary some, but not much - then everyone with these high dollar fixtures will kick themselves.

u are not up to snuff on the reflector tests
 
never said i was - in fact, i would assume that everyone else here would be more of an authority, but then again - the lack of numbers speaks for itself.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9840571#post9840571 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by sneeyatch
never said i was - in fact, i would assume that everyone else here would be more of an authority, but then again - the lack of numbers speaks for itself.
neither one of us is capable of searching for them

i know they tested regular mh reflectors vs the parabolic german ones like the lumenmax and it was indeed 3x the output same ballast same water same bulbs

the same increases are found in t5s with reflectors
if Grim reads this and decides to post the numbers he has that is up to him.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9840596#post9840596 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by GSMguy
neither one of us is capable of searching for them

i know they tested regular mh reflectors vs the parabolic german ones like the lumenmax and it was indeed 3x the output same ballast same water same bulbs

the same increases are found in t5s with reflectors
if Grim reads this and decides to post the numbers he has that is up to him.

now, if i'm not mistaken, grim posted the results of the bulbs based on "X" brand bulbs with slr reflectors. i could be wrong, but i don't think that there were any results listed from the same bulbs utilized in the nova fixture. that's what were trying to get at - not the par of the lamps, but the differences in par of the larger individuals vs. single lamp reflectors.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9840616#post9840616 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by sneeyatch
now, if i'm not mistaken, grim posted the results of the bulbs based on "X" brand bulbs with slr reflectors. i could be wrong, but i don't think that there were any results listed from the same bulbs utilized in the nova fixture. that's what were trying to get at - not the par of the lamps, but the differences in par of the larger individuals vs. single lamp reflectors.

right thats what im talking about read my post

i know they tested regular mh reflectors vs the parabolic german ones like the lumenmax and it was indeed 3x the output same ballast same water same bulbs
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9840502#post9840502 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by GSMguy
u are not up to snuff on the reflector tests



Where is this data that compares the Nova with individual reflectors? I'd love to check it out. Or are you refer to the same ole irrelevant data that compares NO reflectors with individuals reflectors?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9840619#post9840619 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by GSMguy
right thats what im talking about read my post

i know they tested regular mh reflectors vs the parabolic german ones like the lumenmax and it was indeed 3x the output same ballast same water same bulbs

so what dude - your talking about halides, they are a point source lamp that is indeed bright as hell right in the center of the lamp. the par is insane - directly below the lamp. par drops of significantly off to the sides. that's been proven over and over again. so has the fact that t5's may not have the same par as halides, but the spread of par across the entire length of the bulb is equal to if not better than some halides out there. now, i see you're running 20k's where everyone out there appears to agree that these are probably the least par emitting halides out there. seeing how i don't run halides - i don't raise a stink about them - maybe you should so the same with t5's.
 
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i am not working with broken logic the reflectors in novas and on pc fixtures are not worthless but still far less efficent we all know that
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9840690#post9840690 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by GSMguy
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i am not working with broken logic the reflectors in novas and on pc fixtures are not worthless but still far less efficent we all know that

That was agreed apon many posts ago, but you keep comparing them to NO reflectors.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9840723#post9840723 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by lecher
That was agreed apon many posts ago, but you keep comparing them to NO reflectors.

im not comparing them to no reflector i understand the back 70 percent of the bulb is not in a sealed vacuum. much of the light it reflects is absorbed back into the bulbs.
 
i am not telling anybody not to get one of these lights
i reccomend these over pc and as the pictures in this thread show if you want to keep some sps high in the tank and clams this fixture will probobly work fine. lighting is not even the most important thing in a reef water quality and stability are.
 
I have read through this thread, and I figure I shall give my opinion I have the 8 bulb nova on my 75, replaced all bulbs with ati, uv, and giesemann. I have a sps dominated tank, and I keep several on the bottom and the growth is amazing, I have 4 clams on the bottom of the tank as well and they have been growing very well. So I am very pleased with the fixture. And with my budget 480.00 is not a cheap fixture.
 
Re: Oak Canopy & Retrofit Kit Suggestion

Re: Oak Canopy & Retrofit Kit Suggestion

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9840498#post9840498 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by pjf
Here is a suggested plan for a wood canopy and a T5HO retrofit kit.

(1) Finished 36” oak enclosure - #52362 ($45): http://www.ahsupply.com/finished_enclosures.htm

(2) 4x39w T5 retrofit kit with bulbs ($289): http://www.reefgeek.com/lighting/T5...:_4-39W_T5_HO_Fluorescents_by_Sunlight_Supply

There are many options. You can start with a 2x39w retrofit kit ($149) and add a second 2x39w kit later (or even a metal halide kit). You can upgrade by substituting Icecap reflectors for the Tek Light reflectors. You can also do more yourself using Workhorse ballasts with wiring diagrams available at: www.fulham.com

Other retrofit kit retailers include:
www.aquariumspecialty.com
www.diyreef.com

Thank you, now that is something that actually helps someone who doesn't have a clue. Maybe i will go with just 2x 39 until i can get another set, thats seems like a pretty good deal to me and i still get a little fun of doing it myself...thanks, will have to debate this all with myself until i can afford to do anything.thanks
 
I use a combo of ati blueplus, uv super atinic, ati aquablue 12k 6k mid day . I bought this accropora as a 1.5 inch frag it has been at the bottom of the tank since day 1

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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9841564#post9841564 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by derick75
I use a combo of ati blueplus, uv super atinic, ati aquablue 12k 6k mid day . I bought this accropora as a 1.5 inch frag it has been at the bottom of the tank since day 1

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Nice frag. Is that a yellow tang or a foxface hiding in the corner? How many of each bulb? How much has that frag in the pic grown under these lights? Is the pic with all the bulbs on? Let's see those clams.
 
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