O-zone experiences

firefish2020

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Again as stated earlier in previous threads, we know what others (published authors) have said regarding O-zone, now lets here what we as a collective in this club have noticed while using it. I know Jason has religiously used O-zone and made every attempt to convert us all to it's use. I personally used it for several months but experienced a bleaching episode while doing so. Related or not I decided to stop using it until I had a controller. What have been your personal results or opinions regarding the use of it in the reef system?
 
Re: O-zone experiences

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8750364#post8750364 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by firefish2020
I personally used it for several months but experienced a bleaching episode while doing so. Related or not I decided to stop using it until I had a controller. What have been your personal results or opinions regarding the use of it in the reef system?

Ack no matter what Jason gets away with DON'T use it without a controller!

Personal results crystal clear water.
I think Phil had some concerns about it's effect on small invertebrates. IME have tons of micro brittles and enough copods to support a fat mandrin pair.
IMO perfectly safe if used correctly= Monitored with an ORP controller, discharged and vented through carbon. Always use an air dryer on corona discharge units. Calfo and others recommend using air dryers on any unit but my research on uv units says they aren't needed. Both mine are UV btw. OMG I JUST REALIZED I DO USE UV :lol:
My ORP averages around 380-390 so my controller rarely kicks in but the unit I'm using is undersized for my tank quiet Jim

fwiw Calfo being a "published author" isn't really relevant to my posting that thread. It simply has a lot of concise information on how to run ozone in one thread and cleared up some questions I'd had from reading various other threads in the past. Kinda an "Ozone for Dummy's".
Also I knew where to find it quickly without searching :lol:
 
Ack no matter what Jason gets away with DON'T use it without a controller!

LOL Yeh I kind of figured that out the hard way :) That said I do plan on running it again with a controller on my new tank. I was told that the reason I experienced bleaching of the acros was due to increase light thanks to the clarity but just to be safe I'll wait.

Actually I respect Calfo and his opinions I was'nt referring just to him in that post, just all the "experts " out there in general. There are so many opinions and options facing a new hobbyist, it's hard to tell who is being truthful and can be trusted.
 
For those of us that are still noobs, how about explaining how ozone works, what is required to use it, benefits of this, etc. So, basically, what is ozone and how's it work?
 
OK, I had an orange digi and an orange cap that slowly began to bleach after several months of use. Both came back when I turned off the ozone. So did some annoying funk growth. I now am confident that my failure to change the carbon on a regular basis contributed greatly to this "bleaching" problem. The ozone itself, IMO, did not cause the problem but rather the byproducts of its use that were introduced because they were not removed by the depleted carbon.

Why did I stop? Remember the narrowly-averted fire disaster I almost had a few months ago? Yup. I had to go to a bare bones setup and I have not corrected the electrical problem for various reasons-- partially monitary, partially scientific. Currently I have one MJ1200 circulating water in my 75 gallon Zen Reef. All of the other powerheads (around 8) remain unplugged and my water temp is several degrees lower than it was with all those powerheads plugged in. I was shocked to see how much heat those things put out! The lower water temp allows for higher dissolved gasses in the water and improved the health of my livestock. Simultaneously, the greatly-reduced water flow has slowed the growth of my corals. I wondered if this was due to the water flow, so I stopped dripping kalkwasser and simply replaced evaporation with RO water. The lower calcium and carbonate hardness has had little effect on the growth rates. I am now convinced that the water flow is an undeniable part of the equation.

In short, ozone with an air drier and carbon on the discharge, coupled with lower water temps and proper calcium/hardness levels are key to the whole picture. Nothing new here! Light levels, water movement, Ca/hardness, proper temp, and ozone with air driers and carbon to both prevent and scrub out undesirables respectively is completely in line with what most experts say. It is all part of a delicate balance that, when maximized, produces the best results.

Am I a "new convert" to the "scientific" approach to reefing? No. To the contrary. The water parameters in any given wild reef are different in different locations and certainly differerent in different reefs. The animals that inhabit those reefs vary accordingly. What animals you find there, growth rates of those animals etc. What you end up with is the realization that these animals are remarkably adaptive-- my contention all along. I still maintain that one can keep a successful and vibrant reef without obsessing over all the details. A reefer can achieve great results by simply observing the livestock and "guiding" the reef gently along the way. No test kits, no ORP controllers, no high tech stuff. Just pure Zen Reefing. Are your growth rates going to be as high as someone who stresses over everything? Perhaps not. Is my reef maturing as quickly as some who employ all the gizmos? Certainly not. Look at Lowcell's reef. It was looking quite mature after a year or so. My reef has gone through 10 years of changes and "tweaking"-- gently guiding it along and is now a nice looking mature reef with a ridiculously low-tech setup. It has taken me longer to get there but, when the power went out I lost no corals-- lots of die-back and some fish death but all the corals came through. I attribute that to my reef growing and adapting to perhaps slightly unstable conditions and having to deal with huge changes at times and it has (IMO) made my livestock more resilliant. In the end I end up with a reef that largely takes care of itself.

Of course I have problems but they are fairly infrequent and short-lived. I'm in this for the long-haul and my reef keeping philosophy reflects that (and its kind of "old school"). If you pamper your reef, it becomes incapable of dealing with adversity-- like a child. If you guide it and let it take its lumps, it gets stronger.

Back to ozone-- KISS. Low levels, air drier, frequently changed carbon and keep an eye on it. Maybe you have to turn it on and off a few hours a day-- whatever. But keep in touch with your reef, respond to changes and guide it along the path. 10mg/hr is not going to hurt a 55+ gallon reef...(carbon!)

I may be a loon but there is often a method to the madness.
 
Well said Jason.


I notice a huge difference in the skimmer when I run ozone through it. The muck gets muckier and smells even worse. Plus it gets so thick that it is like glue. So if you are adding ozone. Set your skimmer to run a little wetter. JME.
 
Ozone helps keep my hot tub sparkling, and from what I hear the same unit thats on my tub works great on aquariums too (sorry amy), anyway, I also use it on a clients 1500ish gallon shark tank with a controller, running it through one of the 2 ev1000skimmers(crappy skimmers IMO but I didn't pick them, the previous company did, hence the previous part) anyway, the tank stays crystal clear now, the only problem is since I started on it I have been using the ozone so I don't know what it looks like w/o it, and given the shape the tank was in when I took it over (cyano craphole) and with all the other problems with the tank when I started, I needed all the help I could get! Also, I have heard slams on people for using ozone w/ sharks, I have seen no ill effects, the sharks are fat and sassy, along w/ all their other tankmates they haven't eaten yet. As far as use on a reef tank, my jury is still out, I like to keep my reefs as natural as possible, and I also believe in "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"
 
Of course I have problems but they are fairly infrequent and short-lived. I'm in this for the long-haul and my reef keeping philosophy reflects that (and its kind of "old school"). If you pamper your reef, it becomes incapable of dealing with adversity-- like a child. If you guide it and let it take its lumps, it gets stronger.

I agree with this, If you do this long enough your reef will almost take care of itself. I have been using ozone continousely at 50 mg/hr in my 100 gallon reef without a controller for over 30 years. If it's dangerous, my fish don't know it.
Paul
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8760684#post8760684 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by fishmon
Ozone helps keep my hot tub sparkling, and from what I hear the same unit thats on my tub works great on aquariums too (sorry amy)
LOL I knew you'd "out me".

the sharks are fat and sassy, along w/ all their other tankmates they haven't eaten yet.
I'm almost scared to come in and find out what's been on the menu this week :D


Paul I think I've said this before but your tank and experience should be an inspiration to us all. :beer:
 
Coralreefer, my tank has problems like everyone else's but they take care of themself with time. Algae blooms, red cyano etc. all abate eventually, but it does give an indication that something has changed. I purposely diden't say that it is an indication that something is wrong like many people think. Algae is a natural part of any healthy reef and if you have no algae in your reef it may not be as healthy as you believe. You don't see much algae on a reef because of the multitude of tangs, urchins, snails, slugs etc but that is what those animals are eating. If it diden't grow you could not have those animals there. If you have ever dove a reef at night you will see a completely diferent picture than in the day. The urchins come out in force and devour any algae that starts to grow, they scrape it down to the rock and even scrape some of the rock off in the process. Snails also come out at night. The tangs take care of it in the day. If it were not for these animals, the reefs would be covered in all types of algae. I know I am in the minority about algae but it is what it is. Most people feel that there is something wrong if they see algae, I feel the opposite is true. That is the biggest problem in this hobby, trying to get the algae not to grow on our corals, we can't eliminate it like on a reef. It does not work in a closed system. Sorry I know this thread is about ozone but I get carried away.
Have a great day.
Paul

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Paul, dont you have a piece of an old tire in your tank???

And did you ever get any good pics of your algae scrubber???

(good to see you posting in here!)
 
Paul, dont you have a piece of an old tire in your tank???

No tires in my reef yet, maybe soon. Just beer cans.
As for my algae trough here it is. It is still working beautifully. Just look at all that slime growing in there
Paul
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