OK! Enough chat...Starting a 1000g+ Reef

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Yeah I am debating on whether to add a sump to this system for a refugium, or just keep it with the macro in with the snails. Seems more natural this way.

Come visit James, I need help cleaning the display glass. I thought Sherman was going to laugh his butt off tonight watching me laying on a plank trying to clean the tank...
 
i know i need to come viset, might be getting the plexi may be i could bring it over to have you help me cut it ? this time i wont drag my little one so that she wont be bored...
 
Just a note to let reefers know that Sparkss is done with the suction cups and if anyone needs to borrow them, they can contact me to arrange it. These suction cups have been all around the country to various reefers setting up new systems and I would like to keep them circulating as needed. :)
 
So Barry (mrcrab) came by last night and we had a really nice visit. We started off with orange peel stilton dipped in import chocolate, and a few beers. Barry is a really nice guy and it was a lot of fun to talk reefs with him.

We spent a lot of time in the tank room and also had some locally made brats, Norwegian mustard, and of course, more beer. The last one he had was a Jolly Roger...you guys know I like to finish with a Bang!

Unfortunately his scheduled didn't allow for sending a frag back with him, but perhaps we will exchange frags when he gets back to FL. Today we went to visit Tage's system as well and had a good time over there visiting with him and his wife. Barry and Tage have very similar systems in terms of water volume and some equipment.

I hope Barry took home some good ideas! :)

My alkalinity has started dropping as I have turned my stirrer off temporarily.
 
Well, I lied about the alkalinity. I did a round of tests tonight and this is what I got:

Alk: 15.7 dKh (Salifert)
Ca: 425 ppm (Seachem)
Sal: 1.025 (refractometer)
NO2: 0 Seachem)
No3: 0 (Seachem)
Mg: 1475 ppm (Salifert)
PO4: 0 (Deltec)

So alkalinity is still high and everything else is fine. I now have the CO2 and the kalk stirrer manually disabled until the alk returns to normal SW levels. And now I have to figure out how to program everything a little bit differently so that this doesn't happen again.

I have a LIterMeter III running top-off and it is set to exactly the evap rate.

I have the CO2 running basd on the reactor being above 6.20 pH and the tank above 8.07. If either probe goes below that level, the CO2 shuts off.

The kalk stirrer was set to stir for 4 min. every 250 min. or about 5.75 times per day. I think, after talking with a couple reefers including Barry, that my issue may come when the stirrer is stirring and the LieterMeter III is dosing at the same time, but I cannot get my mind around how to make them mutually exclusive. In other words, I would want a stir to take place and settle for an hour before the doser is allowed to come on. All are controlled by a Neptune AC III Pro.

Anyone have any ideas?
 
Jonathan, you need to create some code for the AC III:

00:02 AM
Kalkstirrer On.
00:03 AM
Kalkstirrer Off.

12:01 PM
Kalkstirrer On.
12:02PM
Kalkstirrer Off.

IF TIME > 00:01 PM
THEN Litermeter OFF
IF TIME >01:02 AM
THEN Litermeter ON

IF TIME >12:00 PM
THEN Litermeter OFF
IF TIME >13:02 PM
THEN Litermeter ON

That should get the AC III to mix the kalk reactor for one minute twice a day, and disable the Litermeter for one hour after the mixing.

I think. ;)
 
clekchau: I only use it for kalk top-off right now, but I may get a second pump module and use it to top-off my grow-out tank.

Marc: That looks like a good idea. I'll give it a try and I appreciate your input!
 
No worries Hop! :lol:

Pretty cool tank IMO. Sherman brought over an Aqua-Medic 8 x T5 lamp last night to see how it would work on the grow-out. It generates a great deal of heat and there is no fan, so we are going to experiment with hanging it above the tank. If I get it from him, I think I will have to install a fan.

I see you have been working on your site. Hurray for H & H!! Can't wait to see what you guys do. Hopefully you will be able to work mostly drop-ship deals considering how remote you are.
 
Thanks:) Give it a few more weeks and you'll have an idea where were at! I just need to get some time off from my real job:lol:
 
hey looking pretty good there also how's the Litermeter3, ordered one already but performance wise..
 
Any progress on the reprogramming of the AC III? I'm sure my code wasn't correct, but I was working by memory and didn't recall if there was an "= or >" combo.
 
GL Hop! :)

cbui2: The LM is great and far superior to what I had before. Hard to say how it is performance wise since I have no way to measure it. Seems to be doing exactly what it should, and no more syphon! :D

Marc: Your code was close enough to get me there and I already made the changes. I also got some very good advice from another more experienced reefer with an essentially identical setup, and he said the following:

My kalk stirrer runs 24/7.....but, the effluent in the chamber is crystal clear.....you could read a newspaper behind it. Your kalk reactor may be performing differently....but...only a perfectly clear liquid should be dosed into the tank. Placing your stirrer on a timer is a good idea if you can't get a clear effluent. My LM is not on any timer and doses the set amount each day.

As for your Ca reactor. As you know, each tank will have its requirements for alk usage. You have two parameters that you can adjust...flow and pH. I chose to keep an unbroken stream of effluent out of the reactor and adjust the CO2. I do not use my controller to adjust the CO2....the effluent stream is too notorious for slowing over time and messing up things. I chose a steady effluent stream because it fouls less over time....and the CO2 needs should be consistant over time....I see no need to have the CO2 on a controller....in fact...I think there is more risk with their being on a controller. Once you have a constant effluent stream....it's just finding the amount of CO2 that maintains your tank's needs....I use pH rather than bubble count. My reactor's pH sweetspot is 6.45.

Good luck and test often until you get it dialed in...and STOP adding undissolved kalk.

So he made some interesting points for sure. I set everything up on timers because I was afraid of dropping or raising the pH by too much. I also find it interesting that he is running the Schuran style media at 6.45 when all the reading I have done points to 6.20. But, I think what I have learned here is that while I was able to maintain pH well, I think over time alk was steadily climbing and probably precipitating out enough Ca that my Ca tests always read in a normal range.

I had assumed that the stirrer's function was to stir up the kalk a lot and that would give me good saturation, but apparently I was incorrect and running it too much for too long, clouding the reactor every 4 hours and allowing undiluted kalk into the system.

I think the net result is alkalinity swings, pumping too much Ca into the system, rediculous coraline growth, and a couple stressed corals. So, what I am going to do is get back to basics. I will go through it start-to-finish and simplify by making manual adjustments and removing some of the timer code. I am not sure I can trust to get totally off timer control, but I am going to try.

One issue I have noted which seems to support his theory that using CO2 on a timer/probe is more risky is that when it starts and stops, the temperature of the needle valve changes radically and so will the CO2 flow. Sometimes I find it spewing crazily and sometimes it slows down quite a bit, so over time I have had to make a lot of adjustments to it. Having it on 24/7 should alleviate that issue and also keep the Ca addition more consistant, which is much of the reason to have a reactor in the first place! :D
 
Well, Sherman and I were checking out the tank last night and I noticed a couple dead xenia heads. I asked what could cause that and he said, "sometimes they just die"...so today I was watching my tank (which I don't do enough of) and saw why the xenia heads died. That damn sailfin went right up to them and took a few bites! Unbelievable.

BUT, that may mean that some time in the future it could develop a taste for aiptasia...cross my fingers and hope they die. :D

I put a Don Nguyen MJ 400 mod in the grow-out tank and I am totally converted. Great flow, low watts, and low price...never thought I would use them but in the grow-out they make sense. And maybe in my fuge as well.

I bought an Aqua Medic 8 x 54w T5 pendant from Sherman today. I will be hanging it over the grow-out tank as soon as I can figure out how to do it. The nice thing about it is that I can use just half the lights if needed, and my current idea is to have four 6700K bulbs for algal growth and four 15 - 20K for frags. That way I can just use half the light for regular snail duty and all of them when/if I have frags in that tank.
 
Hey Jonathan. For some reason my subscriptions to several threads got cancelled and yours was one of them. I just finished catching up on the last couple weeks. I wish we had your store around here. I could use some more of that Jolly Roger! :D
 
:lol: Yeah, watch out for that stuff. That was Barry's last one and his comment was, "wow, that's a strong one!". hehehe...

Sometimes threads get cancelled on me too. Sometimes I lose them at a split, and I knwo a couple of times I had scrolled through the email and accidentally killed a subscription.

Alk is slowly lowering, now at 12.8 dKh. My favorite coral, the encrusting monti with purple polyps is still struggling. I had to do surgery on it again as it continued to STN from one of the previous spots. This time I fragged another piece and mounted it in a different area. I used Shermans rotary saw to cut off the RTN. I hope I can save this one as not only do I love it, but it cost me a lot of cashola!

Got some aluminum angle to start fabricating a hanger for the T5 array for the grow-out tank. Ran through another bottle of CO2 today. Sure am glad I have two! Seems like that 20 lbs. went fast.

Still having uissues with my RO/DI. I still can't get the membranes to perform like they used to, even after changing them out for new ones. I really can't understand what is going on but the membrane output is 6 - 9 ppm...I am getting readings after the DI resin of 1 - 2 which I never got before.

I also noted today for the first time since i have had this system going, that the water appeared to be a bit cloudy. Not yellow but sort of a slight milky look. Impending doom? I hope not!
 
Could be an algae bloom or the precipitation from high alk/high calcium. Or maybe you just need to clean the glass. :)

I was at the liquor store getting my C02 refilled and they have these large tanks for a mere $45! You have to give them a $50 deposit, but that size would last my system 3 years. I explained this, and they said that was fine. In three years when I came in, they'd swap out that tank for another new one. Crazy. But I want it, because it is bright yellow and spanking new! :rolleyes:
 
:lol: I did clean the glass just to see what is up and I am getting some spotty algae on the glass. Not sure what it is. May be a precipitate. Seems like that would have happened already though.

Just found out from Tage that the local Fire Extinguisher company that services my store will also fill CO2 tanks while you wait. I am going to call the guy today!

Anyone know what the relationship between CO2 and ORP is?
 
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