OK! Enough chat...Starting a 1000g+ Reef

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Thanks for the links guys...

"Hi Steve,

The image shows a microalgal growth that is probably a mix of dinoflagellates and diatoms. Such growths also contain cyanobacteria, but as minor component. This type of outbreak is characteristic of new tanks, generally, around 6 to 7 months old, that have inadequate biological filtration as well as nutrient export problems.

These algal outbreaks are, as with cyanobacterial outbreaks, symptomatic. In other words, they are not the problem but, rather, are indicative of the problem which too much dissolved nutrient in the system. Treating these algae or cyanobacteria with chemicals is worse than useless, by killing the algae without attacking the root cause of their appearance in the first place, you simply boost the nutrient level in the system, while destroying large portions of whatever biological filter you have.

To address the problems, you need to reduce the nutrient levels in the in the system significantly. For a plan of attack see the sticky thread, near the top of the forum listings titled, "Red slime algae...."

Yes - I know they are not red slime algae. But the same solution will work in both cases. "
--Shimek

Solution:

"We cut the lights for 24 hours, and then every day there after we ramped it up an hour, and now its been running at 4 hours a day for the last week. We're going to start putting it up to an eventual 8-10 hours in the end, but slowly and monitor how things go. If the stuff comes back at all, the light gets cut an hour.

We also started using filter floss between the baffles of the sump, and blew the rocks off daily (sucking this stuff out was a pain, this was easy). The filter floss got changed daily, or sometimes multiple times per day depending on how gunked up it got.

Feeding effectively got cut in half.

And we also increased the flow. Those pictures were days after we added the SEIO 2600. We had a total of about 750gph flow in powerheads, plus the Mag 9.5 for return. This was too low of flow in the tank, but the SEIO 2600 kicked that up a bit, and now things are getting back to normal."


He added that they stopped water changes as well.
 
"all we lost were a few snails (because the dinoflagellets are poisonous in great quantities to algae eaters) and a colony of xenia."

Well, I lost a few thousand snails!
 
It also explains why your Xenia has been suffering. It's going to be REALLY tough for you to keep an elevated ph of 8.6. I don't think that's a viable option for you. Stopping the water changes is easy enough. Lights out from time to time is easy as well. The bottom line though is more nutrient export and less going in. IMO you are on the right track: getting rid of the sand, going to the fine pore air stones and adding mechanical filtration.
 
Increasing the kalk should be easy enough. It may not let you get 8.6, but at least it's elevating it and aiding in the precipitation of po4. I have zero scientific proof, but I believe that my dinos were aided by po4 being released from the base rock. I can't even call it a hypothesis, maybe a SWAG:lol:
 
Strange thing is a lot of the tanks in these threads are BB. I am going to cut the photo period and feed every other day. Getting pH up is not a problem. I will just re-program the ACIII Pro to allow a higher value.

I am going to slowly lower the photo period by starting later tomorrow.

Thanks for all your help guys. This has been really bugging the crap out of me, and I am considering running my reef with a 1 hour lamp nap like I do for my FW Planted tank.
 
I don't think you're off Hop. My DSB disaster is still very clear in my head. 0 detectable phosphates and still TONS of HA. Give yourself a little more credit!
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10930613#post10930613 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jnarowe
Strange thing is a lot of the tanks in these threads are BB. I am going to cut the photo period and feed every other day. Getting pH up is not a problem. I will just re-program the ACIII Pro to allow a higher value.

I am going to slowly lower the photo period by starting later tomorrow.

Thanks for all your help guys. This has been really bugging the crap out of me, and I am considering running my reef with a 1 hour lamp nap like I do for my FW Planted tank.

I don't think it's strange at all. Just because you are BB doesn't exclude you from husbandry problems. It actually just makes the problem show up faster. If you had a DSB of 6 inches in your tank you probably wouldn't have any trouble at all right now. In a year or two though you would, and the problem would be much worse and much harder to deal with.
 
Well, I already altered my program to allow the tank to get to 8.50 pH and drop the lights by an hour tomorrow. I am going to beat this stuff if I have to kill everything in the tank!! :rolleyes:
 
I'd cut the lights completely for at least a day if not 2, Jonathan. It won't hurt the corals. Ramp back up from a low point. Might help you get through it quicker.
 
Have you checked out the thread about leaving your lights of for 3 days? I know it's about cyano, but at least you can read up on the results that other reefers have had, and lately the problems that a few have encounted. More positive than negative, but worth checking out.

Cheers

Chris
 
I think I have read just about every thread on the topic and at this point reduced lighting or lighs out seems to be the next appropriate step. I have pulled all of my young frags and several of the large colonies appear to be unaffected by the bloom.

I am going to frag all of the large colonies and then go lights out.
 
OOPS!!

Well, I am on my second day of lights out and realized today as my ACIII Pro was emailing me non-stop this afternoon that I forgot about heat! :rolleyes:

Because of the lamps I use, I don't really need to heat my tank but after 36 hours of no lamps, the temp. dropped below 75F...so I went to check on things and found that the one 800W heater I had in the sump had crapped out on me. I replaced it with one 400W and one 800W and the temp. is slowly rising.

Tank looks OK. Corals are retracted of course but I dont see any obvious signs of RTN. Hard to tell with no light though. I don't see any major change in the dinoflagellates but I do see what I think is a thinning of the mass.

My biggest concern is the fish. Since my fish actually respond to the light in the tank, they are all a bit confused. They did not come to the feeding area when I fed last night. I know they won't starve in just a couple of days, but I am concerned that there may be social problems happening that I cannot see.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10953265#post10953265 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jnarowe
THEY'RE NOT FAT, THEY'RE BIG BONED!!

Just like your wife wishes you were!

:lol:
 
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