oldtime reefing on the cheap

Sk8r

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Struck me while answering another question that reefs have gotten mega-expensive, and I thought I'd describe the situation we had in the 80's, just to let people know there are other ways of doing this that may save a few bucks...where would I put the bucks saved? Definitely on the biggest meanest skimmer you can afford.

First, we started with water from the lfs, which was ro/di. Salt, bucket, mix, check. Sump: pretty big sump, with bioballs [don't try this at home: the bioballs proved a PITA and a nitrate problem.]

We started with [sob] crushed coral: don't do this. Aragonite is so much better.

We laid down a structure of old dead rock we picked out of bins at the lfs. Today we call it base rock.

In went the rock, then the sand, then the water, check, just like today. And we added a cup of sand from a good live reef.

Best lights anybody but Onassis could afford were highpowered fluorescents and actinics. We kept buttons, mushrooms, nems [not bta's], and the occasional tolerant stony like frogspawn. But not yet---

After the water warmed up, we added a pinch of dead shrimp, uncooked, and ran everything full bore, on timer for the lights. About a week later we started testing. About 6-8 weeks later, we had a tank with bacterial life, and started adding fish. After that spike died down, we tried a few inverts. {MUCH better the way we do it now, inverts first, and massing 3x as much as any fish ever to be added.]

As the tank aged and life and coralline spread across the rocks, the sand would collect crud [being cc]. We'd stir up about a third of it [mind, we had no skimmers] and use a diatom [1 micron] filter to get the crud out of the water. We didn't do water changes nearly as often: this led to trouble. Big trouble. And we ran with sealed systems, no evap to speak of, except the big air space between the sump and the tank: that was open. But that caused a LOT of problems, ditto the lack of frequent water changes. We just topped off [once a week in a big system] with fresh ro/di.

No skimmer. Just filter pads where the water ran through. My 100g had 3 pads, in a row, and you changed 1 a week.

I do not miss this system in the least. But it was a lot cheaper to set up than my 52g with the modern systems and mh. And it had some compromises that did save money. There's absolutely no reason not to start with base rock, for instance; it just costs you more time. The other downside is that you miss some of the species of invert life that arrive with the live rock, but one good piece of live rock can afford you that boon, too.

Just an FYI, this post. We get a lot of questions about "how pricey do you need to be?" and this holds a few warnings, a few ways to save a buck, and I reiterate my opening statement: a really big skimmer is a really big help.

Anyone else remember this era?
 
I run a pretty cheap setup. It consists of a sumpless design with a HOB skimmer, a titanium heater, and a few MJ powerheads for flow. I also did my own DIY metal halide retro for under 120 bucks. I grow LPS,softies, SPS, and anemones. It can be done for cheap!
 
LOL, I didn't have a tank back then. But I do know a couple that never removed their UGFs. :D
 
Well it wasn't that much cheaper... You had to keep replacing the livestock that died. "I don't know why Goniporas don't live".
 
Ive been there done that :) I started with a 75gl and then bought a side by side twin 55gl tanks. I also had the wet/dry sump it had a spray bar that sat over top of 5 slide out trays I had a combination of bio balls and chunks of broken coral on the trays. In the tank the use of large dead corals was the thing and at the time the red pipe organ coral was a big deal and costly. Before decent lighting systems were available I used DIY retro kits they looked ugly but it worked. I also used crushed coral for the substrate and a fluval canister filter. I didn't have the quick disconnects so cleaning was a PITA.
 
Well, I remember that era, though I started late ('89). By then we were no longer starting the cycle with a piece of dead shrimp. I did have a UG filter in my FO setup though. I also bought caulerpa mail order and even added "caulerpa food" to make it grow :) (Suppose I could have just peed a little in my tank instead) Coralife and Sera (sp?) were the most popular brands of additives. Skimmers were gaining in popularity (I had an internal airpump driven kind....the brand escapes me).

The coolest thing was my pod population in my CC bed. There must have been thousands in there...the whole bed looked like it was moving if you squinted your eyes. Needless to say keeping a mandarin was not a big deal for me...
 
Anyone have any pics of those old systems? Would be interesting to see what they looked like.
I had a 35 gal fish only tank in the late 1980's. It had a UGF and dead bleached coral skeletons, which grew algae like mad. Actually the whole tank grew algae like mad, green slime everywhere. I had one royal gramma. Yup, one fish. And I thought I was pretty cool at that!
 
I remember the eightees (also the seventees, sixtees, fiftees etc.)
Here is my tank in about 1971
I am the good looking guy who hasen't changed at all since then, especially my hair :lol:
As was said, that "coral" is all dead skeletons. That is what a "reef" tank looked like then. We would take out the dead coral every couple of weeks to soak it in Clorox. Those blue devils were about $7.00 then and were almost the only fish you could buy besides dominoes and sargeant majors.
We also diden't spend much on anything. The lighting was easy, it was regular flourescents or light bulbs. There was no powerheads or GFCIs. The circulating pumps hung on the back of the tank and they were mostly metal. You had to unplug them when you put your hand in the water or you would get shocked.
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This is also the seventees. That blue devil is guarding his eggs. That pair lived about seven years and had a lot of babies.
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These are from the eightees or ninetees. One of them was published in (I think) "Marine Fish Monthly"
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DC why would anyone remove the UG filter? :eek1:
 
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I have a totally different recollection than you do... Skimmers were very pricey once they became available (Tunze, Custom made, and a couple other pricey brands) or they were plastic and not exactly high quality pieces (Sanders). Then you needed expensive high powered airpumps to run them. Metal Hallide lights were available and necessary if you really wanted to be successful, I believe I paid over $1000 for my Energy Savers hood when a much nice similar setup today can be had for about half that. Factor in inflation and MH lighting ws probably 3x the cost it is now. Orp and PH meters were also popular if you were an advanced hobbyist and they were mucho bucks and often used in conjunction with unrealiable and pricey ozonizers. Also, wet/dry filters, bioballs and the pumps used to run them were quite pricey once they were introduced in the mid 80s.

Additives were more widely used and were far more expensive then they are now thanks to A. Thiel. Could you imagine paying $20 for a gallon of premixed Kalkwasser. Or you could get dry Calcium Hydroxide (maybe 3 teaspoons worth) from Thiel for $20. Then there was crap like liquid gold that you didn't even know what was in it but you just had to have it. In addition, making your own just wasn't widely known about so it rarely happened.

You had to run more 3-4 powerheads in order to get similar flow to what we see today from 1. Canister filters were more expensive, as were things like quality GAC, polyfilters, and chemipure.

Lastly, I remember seeing indo rock for as much as $18 a pound and Florida rock wasn't much cheaper but ws far more dense and was pretty awful rock. I paid around $12 a pound (IIRC) for 200 lbs. of Samoan live rock and that was at cost since I managed a fish store. Then there were the fish, many reef fish were more expensive. Purple tangs were about twice what they are now as were pseudochromis, Sohals and anything else Red Sea. Small reef gobys were much pricier as well, that little black banded goby, Rainford's, and Twin spot were probably 4x what they are now.

Also, I was running a bare bottom tank by the late 80s so no more worries of crushed coral.

I know a lot of this is took place from 86- through the early 90s, but things are a hell of a lot cheaper (especially when inflation is considered) and easier now then than they ever were back then.
 
Remember those 'sand' filters, where the theory was there'd be all this 'active' surface on this hyperfine sand---it came in a cylinder a lot like a phosban reactor, and plugged into the sump.

It immediately exploded and blew powdered sand all through my system.

I was down on any cylinder that promised miracles for years after.
 
Wow Peter I diden't use any of that stuff and by the eightees I was already in it for ten years. I diden't have MH, orp meters, bio balls, liquid gold, pH meter,crushed coral, canister filter, Poly Filter,Kalkwasser, ChemiPure or live rock. As a matter of fact, except for the MH lights that I built and the rock I collected I still don't have any of that stuff.
Albert Thiel made a big deal out of the most minor things in this hobby and he still does.
Paul
 
Ok, I guess it's time to show my age also. In mid eighties I started my first reef in a 30 long that originally housed african chilids. Allready had crushed coral over a undergravel filter so I only had to go out and buy a few hundred dollars worth of live rock at about 15 to 20 bucks a lb. For filters at first was undergravel and a supream aquamaster HOB. Worked really well! :hmm2: Had 4 high output floresents in a homemade canopy.Lasted a couple years till I moved it to a 45 high mirror back. Skimmers were getting less expensive so I got a hang on air driven that was not bad. It cost about 250 though! Then I hit the big time. set up my 90 gal with a 30 gal sump. Went out and broke the bank and spent another 250 on a Red Sea berlin skimmer. Believe it or not it's in the tank I'm using now!:D Through the years I went from crushed coral to eggcrate, with pvc sliced in half to raise it off the glass, to live sand when it arrived. The only info at the time was FAMA, and the few of us in the Pittsburgh area who had tanks waited for it to be delivered. We'd read it cover to cover. Also remember getting to see the filter system down at the Pittsburgh Zoo after Walter Adley(think I got the name right) put in this NEW algae scrubber system. Funny how things keep comming back around, ain't it!:D
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9325617#post9325617 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Paul B
Wow Peter I diden't use any of that stuff and by the eightees I was already in it for ten years. I diden't have MH, orp meters, bio balls, liquid gold, pH meter,crushed coral, canister filter, Poly Filter,Kalkwasser, ChemiPure or live rock. As a matter of fact, except for the MH lights that I built and the rock I collected I still don't have any of that stuff.
Albert Thiel made a big deal out of the most minor things in this hobby and he still does.
Paul

I was unfortunate enough to manage a fish store that had a owner that was really into the technical side of the hobby, which got me interested in it for a bit. Lifeguard canisters, Sandpoint ORP and PH monitors and controllers, He was nice enough to give me some of that stuff to use for free. I believe at one point I was adding about 7 different expensive additives, though I never did buy into the whole liquid gold nonsense. It was some years later that some of us realized what a crook Thiel was. I can remember the very very early days of aqualink amnd speaking out about it a bit, people were ready to string me up for not elevating Thiel to a diety status. I bet there are people that have been in this hobby for nearly 10 years that have no clue who Albert Thiel is.

By the time the early 90s hit I was rejoicing in nothing more than a skimmer and some live rock for filtration and the introduction of less expensive and fewer additives like Kent and Seachem.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9325691#post9325691 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jllndmb
Ok, I guess it's time to show my age also. In mid eighties I started my first reef in a 30 long that originally housed african chilids. Allready had crushed coral over a undergravel filter so I only had to go out and buy a few hundred dollars worth of live rock at about 15 to 20 bucks a lb. For filters at first was undergravel and a supream aquamaster HOB. Worked really well! :hmm2: Had 4 high output floresents in a homemade canopy.Lasted a couple years till I moved it to a 45 high mirror back. Skimmers were getting less expensive so I got a hang on air driven that was not bad. It cost about 250 though! Then I hit the big time. set up my 90 gal with a 30 gal sump. Went out and broke the bank and spent another 250 on a Red Sea berlin skimmer. Believe it or not it's in the tank I'm using now!:D Through the years I went from crushed coral to eggcrate, with pvc sliced in half to raise it off the glass, to live sand when it arrived. The only info at the time was FAMA, and the few of us in the Pittsburgh area who had tanks waited for it to be delivered. We'd read it cover to cover. Also remember getting to see the filter system down at the Pittsburgh Zoo after Walter Adley(think I got the name right) put in this NEW algae scrubber system. Funny how things keep comming back around, ain't it!:D

Don't forget Seascope, that was a pretty ground breaking publication for this hobby. Plus it was free!
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9325793#post9325793 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Peter Eichler
Don't forget Seascope, that was a pretty ground breaking publication for this hobby. Plus it was free!
Dude, forgot all about that one! One of these days I have to go through my old mag boxes see what's there!:cool:
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9325793#post9325793 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Peter Eichler
Don't forget Seascope, that was a pretty ground breaking publication for this hobby. Plus it was free!

Oh yeah, wasn't that published by Seachem?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9326378#post9326378 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by SDguy
Oh yeah, wasn't that published by Seachem?
Yep, that little blue beaker on the cover!:D
 
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