Hello! I really need your help. I have a 120 gallons + a 30 gallons sump. Since 2 week my fish have developed oodinium. Since that time they are in hyposalinity at 1.009. I have already lost 5 fish including my beatiful majestic Angel. My fish breathe quickly and shake their head. Do you think a Cupramine treatment is a good idea during hyposalinity? Or do you have any other idea, Thank you!
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lagatbezan
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No do not combine hypo with copper. It's not recommended.
Shaking of the head could be symptoms of flukes which you would need to treat with prazipro. I believe you can do that with hypo. Just make sure to provide good oxygen exchange since it will depleted the oxygen in the water.
Shaking of the head could be symptoms of flukes which you would need to treat with prazipro. I believe you can do that with hypo. Just make sure to provide good oxygen exchange since it will depleted the oxygen in the water.
Just for the sake of time on your fishes behalf I would give them either a freshwater dip or an Acriflavine bath this will buy u some time while raising SG. Continue with The dips until you get your SG up to imo 1.020 and start adding cuor cp every day with your WC increasing SG to around 1.022-23
lagatbezan
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Copper is not the best treatment when done in the main tank that has rocks and substrate since they will absorbed it. It's best done in a qt.
While at hypo, you need to make sure you are using a correctly calibrated refractometer. also you need to keep an eye on your ph as well as ammonia. You will definitely have some die offs that will required water changes to keep ammonia 0. Ammonia is just as deadly as some parasites.
While at hypo, you need to make sure you are using a correctly calibrated refractometer. also you need to keep an eye on your ph as well as ammonia. You will definitely have some die offs that will required water changes to keep ammonia 0. Ammonia is just as deadly as some parasites.
Yes this is correct cu or cp needs to be in a qt but your wasting your time with hypo IT WILL NOT CURE VELVET neither will ttm your going to need to get them into a qt
lagatbezan
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Flukes can get in the eyes and make them look cloudy. Your symptoms are starting to look more like flukes to me. If flukes you need to treat with prazipro.
You have a few options as mentioned by everyone and need to figure out which one works the best for you for the ich treatment.
If you gonna bring the sg up you need to do it really slowly over a few days minimum. Raising it up too quickly can do more harm.
Some great info here:
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2389659
You have a few options as mentioned by everyone and need to figure out which one works the best for you for the ich treatment.
If you gonna bring the sg up you need to do it really slowly over a few days minimum. Raising it up too quickly can do more harm.
Some great info here:
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2389659
This is a dead give away for velvet the cloudy eyes are like hundreds of parasites covering the fish is the whole fish covered with a whitish or velvet looking coat? One distinct sign of velvet is the fish swim into the current of a pump or power head. Post a pic I'm positive this is velvet not ich not flukes. Attached photo are velvet look at the eyes
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You don't have a lot of time with velvet so here's my suggestion get a qt big enough to hold what fish you have left set the SG @1.020 and aclimate your fish just as if you were bring home a new fish. Give each fish a fresh water dip as you add them to the qt if you can get cp that would be best however if you cannot put half a dose of cu in the qt wait 24 hrs and start dosing the other half. Add a .1-.2 every half HR or so until you have reached a thereputic level of cu. cupramine is thereputic at .35 chelated cu is thereputic at 1.5 ppm you will need a test kit this is a must for cu cupramine use seachem or salifert kit, chelated you can use a seachem kit it just takes 20or so minutes to get a reading however I would use an api for chelated cu. you will want to get cupramine eventually up to .5 ppm and chelated at 2ppm. This is hard on the fish bringing cu levels up fast but if you don't they probably are going to die, that's why cp is the preferred drug for velvet its dose at 60 mgs per gallon. If you have a wrasse do not use cp on it. Treat these fish at least 30 days in the mean time the DT will have to sit fallow for at least 6 weeks for velvet. I you can get Acriflavine ms of ruby reef rally and give each fish a bath this is an anticeptic and will greatly increase your chance of success it will help stop a bacterial infection which is a common thing with velvet. Good luck
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lagatbezan
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+1 ^
Velvet is a super fast killer. You need to act fast.
Velvet is a super fast killer. You need to act fast.
JustinM
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Cupramine is not therapeutic at .3, .35 is needed. I would still keep it more towards .45 so you have a little margin of error.
After your freshwater dip, do an acriflavine bath with ruby reef rally. As a lot of the throphonts fall off the fish from the FW dip, they may be prone to bacterial infections, the acriflavine is an antiseptic.
Get them to therapeutic fast! If you do these 3 steps, FW dip(provides relief from removing the mucous off the gills), acriflavine, then therapeutic copper(I put my fish into .35 on the first dose, and they were wrasses), all my fish survived velvet.
Good luck!
After your freshwater dip, do an acriflavine bath with ruby reef rally. As a lot of the throphonts fall off the fish from the FW dip, they may be prone to bacterial infections, the acriflavine is an antiseptic.
Get them to therapeutic fast! If you do these 3 steps, FW dip(provides relief from removing the mucous off the gills), acriflavine, then therapeutic copper(I put my fish into .35 on the first dose, and they were wrasses), all my fish survived velvet.
Good luck!
