Ordering anemones online

MachPilot

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Is there a protocol for keeping anemones healthy if ordered online. Orderd two from california...both did not make it.

Obviously thye were in a bag for 16+ hours and absorbed so much of their waste and ammonia, they they were either dead on arrival or never attached foot etc.

Was it bad luck? Only order form certain companies that use seacham in the bag etc?

Would like to order online but am very guarded thanks.
 
did you order from a company with a live healthy arrival guaranty? hope you got a full refund... i believe live aquaria has a 14 day guaranty.

personally, i am blessed to have several nice lfs close. i can have them order. i also picked up one from a local reefer and a several from a local show. i will avoid ordering if i can help it. i believe there are several companies that have a good reputation for shipping nems. you might try the feedback section.
 
There are way too many variables here. We need more info about your tank. Age, lighting, water params, acclimation info, what kind of nems, placement. What company did you buy from? Do the have an arrive alive guarantee?
 
No variables needed..


Six year plus tank ....accomplished anemone reefer.

Housing a blue/red carpet.....large sebae...and 13 rose tipped. One was outright dead. The other purple LTA never attached but barely on a rock then unattached and was done.


Did not get my money back....got a livestock refund. Great order more stuff thats doa or doesnt make it.

The point of my thread which got ignored because people get wrapped up in tank parameters on every single question ever posed on a forum thread is how do these animals survive in a bag absorbing their waste for 16+ hours?

Isn't that the real issue? Some companies use Seachum and antiobiotics in their bag and ship with it. Others provide it when you get your animal - which imo defeats the purpose becaus ethe animal has been absorbing waste and ammonia for nearly a day.

Ammonia toxicity kills people....stands to reason anemones as well. Cant exactly give it lactulose.
 
more than just a little bit of attitude there.... there could have been other reasons for it arriving doa and the other not attaching and dying.

if you would have stated your experience and such, then people wouldn't have to ask. yo never know on this site. you could be some kid that filled a 10g tank in his bedroom with tap water and table salt or you might be an accomplished reefer.

actually, there was some good advice such as...

"i believe there are several companies that have a good reputation for shipping nems. you might try the feedback section"

silervryphon also stated that they received nems in good condition.

you might try inquiring to the companies that successfully ship them instead of copping an attitude...
 
Just got a Gbta and Sabae from LA, they we're beat up, Sabae bleached, but still recoverable with a few days of treatment in QT.

Shipping can be hit or miss, go with a good source. The best is probably DD.
 
Gotta agree with MachPilot, asking about tank parameters and all that is totally unrelated here. His 'attitude' post was justified. If only a certain person read the original post better.

Anyways, as everyone else stated - really just gotta go with reputable shipper. Usually it's not too hard. Big bag, plenty of water, plenty of oxygen. That's how I ship things.
 
What type of anemones are we talking about here? For example, we know for a fact that gigs and mags ship poorly. Others generally have varying degrees of success.

The big problem with shipping nems is that you don't know what they look like BEFORE they ship it. They could be in bad shape to begin with and then just quickly spiral downwards. Maybe the anemone ate and then they decided to ship it -- I see this happen when fish are sent. Once in the bag, they throw up. Same thing happens with nems. This is where you really have to rely on the vendor to do the right thing.

But, what is the right thing? In an attempt to answer your question, the answer is that there isn't a accepted protocol. On the export end, some exporters ship their nems dry, meaning with minimal water. Not only is it cheaper to ship with little water, but the accepted logic is that because the nem can sense that they are out of water, they don't release any waste.There's no place to release it. The problem with this logic is that it means they hold their waste inside their bodies. No one really knows which scenario is worse -- keeping it in or releasing it into the shipping bag. Other companies -- for example Live Aquaria -- claim to ship anemones with EXTRA water. This increases shipping cost, but the logic for this is dilution of harmful substances in a larger body of water creates a better shipping environment.

To my knowledge, no one has experimented with the different processes. In other words, no one took 5 BTAs for example, and shipped them with various amounts of water to see which arrived in the best condition. Of course, results would be limited because we can't guarantee that the health of each BTA was the same at the onset of the experiment.

Regarding adding chemicals like SeaChem (Prime, Stability, not sure which) or other ammonia neutralizers to the bag water -- I think it may help, but only for a limited amount of time. No one can accurately predict how much ammonia a nem may release in transport. Adding too much chemical could stress out the nem. Shippers have been adding Chloram-X for years and nems still die. It's simply not a guarantee of survival.

Obviously, the best solution is just to get your LFS to order what you're looking for. Once it comes in, you can decide if you want to buy it or not, though this depends on the arrangement you made with the LFS. Maybe you can let us know your general location and I'm sure other reefers can give you pointers on which LFS to visit to order a nem for you.
 
Thanks Azed - its definitely not attitude. Its fact. When you ask a very directed question and the tank parameter police spew forth un-necessary rhetoric , it derails the whole post.

Thanks D-Nak. It was a purple carpet Hadd....saw the pictures from the online dealer (reputable company) and it was beautiful.

Shipped next day and it was completely inverted in terms of its stomach and melting. water was yellow and filthy and had a terrible odor.

I guess there is no tried and sure way...maybe a little luck and a healthy specimen. Ibluewater recommends when they ship, at picking the specimen up from the airport and avoiding fed ex all together. Am definitely going to try this.

thanks for the all the help!
 
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