OT: Gas Prices!!!

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the yaris is tiny. i just wouldn't feel comfy in one on the freeway especially with all those maniac drivers out there. same for the prius, etc.

as nicole mentioned taxes are what causes CA gas to be higher than most other states. check the taxes tacked on here vs NV and that is most likely the delta.
 
I just bought a new civic gx since I drive 45 miles one way each day. Just filled up the tank and cost me $8.51. I got 35mpg for both city/hwy. Not to bad!!! Its a natural gas car and I paid 1.48 a gallon. I also can drive in the car pool lane solo since its only cng. This has saved me an hour a day so far in my commute so I win both ways now!! I bought a certified used one with 5K miles for 20K out the door.
 
Call and write to your congress and senate person ASAP.
Let them know if the price does not come down and oil profits keeps going up then we WILL vote for senators and congress persons who can take care of these issues. Please remember this is how "WE THE people" can goven our lives!

Find your senator and congress person link included:
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
http://www.house.gov/writerep/

Simon

PS remember do nothing and they win :)
 
My ex-fiancee was 6'3" and 180 lbs. He drove my G2 Eclipse quite comfortably and the G3 is I drive now is larger. I have a friend that is 6'6" and easily 260 lbs, who finds his Toyota Celica comfy and roomy.

So... you can either whine about the discomfort in your wallet, or whine about not having a giant cupholder. Your choice. :D

But seriously, I understand your point about what you get used to. Still, I admit I have scant sympathy for SUV drivers whining about safety issues when by far the most dangerous drivers I see on a day to day basis are in the biggest SUVs driving like they think they have a Ferrari who assume everyone else has to get out of their way. (Actually, the MOST dangerous drivers I see are motorcyclists and one particular idiot I see every day in a yellow Lotus Elise.)

Having seen the crash safety data, I feel comfortable in my car. More so than when driving with my idiot stepfather (see above) while terrified the truck will roll going around a corner. Of course, he's actually done that... twice.

Nevada's gas taxes are higher than CA by a fair margin, so it's strange that gas prices are so much cheaper there. Sounds like a case of CA getting screwed by the energy again because we're all "rich" here. The rest of the country just assumes everything costs twice as much in CA and we deserve it for living there; we're not likely to get any sympathy from the rest of the country.
http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/ohim/mmfr/apr05/trmfuel.htm
 
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7302891#post7302891 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Wilafur
the yaris is tiny. i just wouldn't feel comfy in one on the freeway especially with all those maniac drivers out there. same for the prius, etc.

as nicole mentioned taxes are what causes CA gas to be higher than most other states. check the taxes tacked on here vs NV and that is most likely the delta.

That car will look a lot roomier when summer prices comes around. :D



anyway who is interrsted in a yaris group buy :D
 
Screw the Yaris... the Corolla has been getting 40 on the hwy for years.

Get a Hybrid, or a CNG, or a Turbo Diesel

Honda Civic Hybrid: 46-49 MPG <--- Not as good as Prius in the City
Honda Insight: 55-68 MPG
Honda Civic GX: CNG - Fill up at home with a ~$2K CNG Device
Toyota Prius: 46-49 MPG <--- Not as good a Civic on the HWY

Volkswagen TDI Cars: 40-45MPG Diesel <--- Can run BioDiesel

When you commute 60+ miles each way, the hybrids do save you money over the long run.

With gas at $3.00+ a gallon, 46MPG only costs you $0.064 per mile. (10.435 Gallons * $3.00 = $30.71 / 480 Miles = $0.064 )

SUV w/ 16MPG w/ 27 Gallon Tank:

(26 Gallons * $3.00 = $78.00 / 416 Miles = $0.19 / mile)

The above SUV is theoretical.. I dont own one (yet) so I dont know what actual range and mileage they have.
 
The Yaris is $11-13g vs. $20+ for some of the cars you listed. Thatââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s the selling point of the Yaris..... You want a car that will pay for itself. And most hybrids are 4-6g on top of its all gas version. So it would take 3+ years to get that back in gas savings. By then the extra maintenance on a hybrid would probably kick in making a hybrid pointless. Those batters on a hybrid are supposed to last a decade but from what I hear they would not. So spending thousand alone on batter replacements after 6-7 years would make it more of a pointless buy. Now leasing one wouldnââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢t be a bad idea.
 
The problem with writing our senators and congressmen is that they will get scared and do something extremely stupid. There really isn't much they can do, and what they are talking about doing is well stupid.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7303231#post7303231 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tompalmbeach
I have just come back from London Gas over there is about 4 pounds a gallon,.....almost $8 ooouuuccchhhhhhhhh

I dont mind paying $8 a gallon if we had a decent subway system out here like London's
 
As of March 2006 here are the lowest gas prices per gallon from CNN

Saudi Arabia Riyadh $0.91
Kuwait Kuwait City $0.78
Egypt Cairo $0.65
Nigeria Lagos $0.38
Venezuela Caracas $0.12
 
It's funny, I've travelled all over Europe on public rail and my own two feet. There was once I wanted to go someplace there was no public transit, but it was really off the beaten track and I didn't want to rent a bike and ride 10 miles to get there. Otherwise, it was easy, cheap and efficient. My bro's house in Germany was 2 miles from the train station which was a LONG way to get to the train... for there!

On the other hand, I've lived in the LA area for a total of 15 years and CA for 18 years. I've taken public transit here ONCE in that time and it was horrible. Slow, smelly, inefficient and fairly expensive.

The Metrolink is getting better, but I wish we Angelenos never thought it was a good idea to rip up the Red Line and put in freeways instead. Hindsight is 20/20.

LA public rail, c. 1910:
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Doing something!

Doing something!

I agree that they may do something stupid but should we do nothing and just suffer slow economical death? As for "There really isn't much they can do" is not really true. They could vote to repeal the tax exceptions for the oil giants! If this does not work then they could incentives us with larger rebates for Biodiesel, E85, Hydrogen, fuelcell and electric vehicles. Remember this is still a market of supply and demand, currently we have been foolish since the 70's by not creating a market for alternative energy for our country, The price of oil in Europe and Asia has been high for quite a while now but still they have not invented a new energy plan. I think we need our world scientists to collaborate and our governments to phase in these alternate energy systems. IMHO


Thanks
Simon



<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7303387#post7303387 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by rutledgek
The problem with writing our senators and congressmen is that they will get scared and do something extremely stupid. There really isn't much they can do, and what they are talking about doing is well stupid.
 
Re: OT: Gas Prices!!!

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7302395#post7302395 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by cthetoy

When is it going to stop??

When people stop buying SUV's that are completely unnecessary for driving in a metropolitan area of 15 million people? Ditto for large pickups, 4 wheel drive, and Hummers :lol:
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7303403#post7303403 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by cthetoy
I dont mind paying $8 a gallon if we had a decent subway system out here like London's
Or Montreal, or Washington D. C.
 
Re: Doing something!

Re: Doing something!

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7303607#post7303607 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by simon.007
IThey could vote to repeal the tax exceptions for the oil giants!
Sorry I think all that will do is drive up costs. Do you honestly think the oil companies will take that type of taxation and not pass it on to the consumer?

If this does not work then they could incentives us with larger rebates for Biodiesel, E85, Hydrogen, fuelcell and electric vehicles.

This still isn't economical I agree it should be done, but even with the incentives that exist, people still buy other cars. People will not be moved to buy these cars until it is economical and convenient to do so. That means purchasing the car, maintenance, and ease of refueiling. Hybrid cars have that going for it since it still uses the same fuel. Biodiesel vehicles also have it going for it since they can usualyl run regular diesel if people are in a bind. E85 has other issues including a negative return on energy, at least from corn. It take more energy to toil, plant, grow, harvest, and refine than is created using E85. Add to that it will eat through rubber gaskets in cars built even into the 90s. Electric cars are just a bad idea all around, as anyone in california know, electricity is at a premium, and electric vehicles would only put more of a drain on the system. In addition to that, the majority of electricity is generated from coal and natural gas. Both of which polute the environment and are still finite resources. There are natrual gas cars, but until they become better for long trips, IE the refilling infrastructer, there is still a cap to the number of people who will purchase them with or without government incentives.

If you want to move to those types of fuel than don't write government agencies to do something. THey will do something that will be short term, and any push to alternative fuels will be haulted again. As long as oil prices are high alternative fuels will get more respect, if gas prices go down again, it will be the fuel of choice until the next rise in price. Henry Ford's original vehicle was designed to run on biofuel produced from corn, but he abandoned that because gasoline and oil were so much cheaper. The rules of economics then are the same as they are today.


The price of oil in Europe and Asia has been high for quite a while now but still they have not invented a new energy plan.

They may not have an alternative energy plan, but they use small diesel cars which get better mileage and polute less, instead of big trucks and SUVs. even their delivery vans and trucks are smaller. France has 58 nuclear plants that meets 80 percent of its total electricity needs -- and allow it to export power to Britain, Germany and Italy. So to say that they are just as bad as we are or not doing anything to break their dependence on oil is just a fallacy.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7303652#post7303652 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by reefpeep2004
Or Montreal, or Washington D. C.

Don't forget New York City. Thats the best subway system around.
 
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