Ozone use

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

I personally didn't notice any change, but I was careful to not get the ozone products into the tank before passing over GAC. I know someone who stated that they send such water directly into a refugium without GAC, and that end of a long refugium had poor growth of stuff like macroalgae.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

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[psykobowler]

I don't use it long enough to make my tank sterile. Just an hour a day is sufficient to maintain crystal water. Pods are alive and well. Their population is dependent on food more than anything else.

 

[cherubfish pair]

Anyone use ozone and bio-pellets on the same system? Would a higher redox potential permit better consumption of pellets by bacteria?

 

[mr.wilson]

Anyone use ozone and bio-pellets on the same system? Would a higher redox potential permit better consumption of pellets by bacteria?

You want anaerobic bacteria for bio pellets so high redox won't have much affect. Residual o3 and bromide will kill bacteria so I would make sure you have post o3 carbon and run the pellets upstream of the o3 reactor/skimmer.

 

[cherubfish pair]

You want anaerobic bacteria for bio pellets so high redox won't have much affect. Residual o3 and bromide will kill bacteria so I would make sure you have post o3 carbon and run the pellets upstream of the o3 reactor/skimmer.

Would higher redox potential (from an o3 reactor) permit better sloughed bacteria removal through a skimmer? (overall better conditions for bacterial removal?)

 

[mr.wilson]

Would higher redox potential (from an o3 reactor) permit better sloughed bacteria removal through a skimmer? (overall better conditions for bacterial removal?)

Protein skimmers work better with ozone, but they "skim" less due to bubble stability lessening. The biofilms would be oxidized better, but not physically removed as well. We're not talking about a significant difference though.

If anything, I would be worried about bacteria getting killed by residual o3, but strategic placement and post carbon will solve the issue. When all is going well in my tanks, I use o3 on timers for an hour per day, or just plug them in manually when there is a demand.

 

[cherubfish pair]

Protein skimmers work better with ozone, but they "skim" less due to bubble stability lessening. The biofilms would be oxidized better, but not physically removed as well. We're not talking about a significant difference though.

If anything, I would be worried about bacteria getting killed by residual o3, but strategic placement and post carbon will solve the issue. When all is going well in my tanks, I use o3 on timers for an hour per day, or just plug them in manually when there is a demand.

TY, that answers my question

 

[Painted skin]

WOW! This is a big thread, it took me 2 fully evenings to read through every post and never mind the last to weeks of digging online. Felt like I was back in college studying for exams. I have recently receive my Milwaukee SMS510 ORP controller and waiting on my Enaly ozone generator. I thought it was going to a simple setup, ozone into the air intake of my SWC xtreme HOB which you can see in the first pic, but nope I was stump on a problem on how to incorporate ozone into my HOB skimmer. Yes, I'm not running a sump, but that's another story. The problem was the collection cup slides out and it has this silicone square o ring that seals from water if any coming out of the bottom and side of the collection cup. So I worried about seeping air/ozone coming out of there and the other problem is in the 3rd chamber of the skimmer I don't have room to put a bag of GAC, because the outlet pipe from skimmer is blocking and there's room to get the bag underneath of it. So at this point I have only 2 options 1) is going with a gas pressure reactor into a single GAC reactor or 2) get a second skimmer to dedicate purely as a ozone reactor. I chose the second option, because it was simpler and cost less as you can see in the second I found a use one for $130 it's a SWC 100 xtreme HOB. My plan is fairly simple ozone into air intake, raise the collection cup to the highest point where I will get no skim mate and seal the gap where normally the silicone o ring goes with aquarium safe silicone, the foam over flow chamber stuff it with bag of GAC. So was wondering if anyone see the flaw in my plan? The other thing I like to know even after with all the reading it is still unclear to me which method is more efficient and I'm not talking about my setup; gas pressure reactor or through a skimmer?

 

[vamaro]

Based on m personal experience only, I had to use carbon on both the treated water and the gas that exits the reactor to control the ozone smell.

People said if I can smell ozone I am using too much but I found out that this statement is only true if you are set up correctly.

I suggest using a reactor setup. You can do this without a sump. I am in no way an expert with ozone, I just know what I had to do to make mine work.

 

[Painted skin]

I suggest using a reactor setup. You can do this without a sump. work.

Thanks for the info, what would be the best way of doing that? What I mean is I see 2 challenge going that route. I can easily take a GFO/GAC and covert it into an ozone reactor with a plug for ozone from generator and a air bleeder valve on top and which would lead into a air dryer fill with GAC for venting ozone. Then I would bring the water down from DT via pump reverse the connection where I get the water coming down from the top of the reactor which will then mix with ozone through a bunch of bio balls and exit through the bottom.

I see 2 problem right off the bat.

1) With the bleeder valve on top it's not longer a closed loop system and with ozone not running 24/7 via controller it would loose pressure and the reactor would start fill up with water which then will flow out of the venting bleeder valve. This leads to my next question.

2) If I was to bring the water down into the stand via pump and when it's not running; how do I prevent it from back siphoning?

 

[Psionicdragon]

Anyone have their tank in their room with dogs and running ozone?

I plan to run ozone through my skimmer and was concern of the safety from ozone escaping.

Or any suggestions? I had used ozone before, but the tank was in the basement. Now its in my bedroom. My dog is about to have puppies and they will be in the same room as the tank for a few months.

 

[Trickman2]

I wouldn't I was all setup to go with a 500 dollar ozone unit when I decided it was not worth the risk vs reward. I heard a local fish store guy do a 180 on the subject when a 3 year old girls lungs where permanently damaged by ozone. Just nothing that special that is worth the risk. I say sell it and invest in better equipment. Hope that helps.

 

[vamaro]

I run my ozone inside my house. My tank is a room separator between the kitchen and the family room. Tank is less the. 3 feet from the kitchen table and my wife would flip of there was an odor.

It's not an issue if its set up correctly. During my initial set up I followed the manufacturers instructions and had a ozone smell immediately. I then made a very simple device from PVC that allows the processed water to go back into the sump and the gas to rise where it can be filtered with charcoal. It works great. I have posted pics on various threads of my ozone setup.
I run my ozone thru an ozone reactor, then to another reactor with charcoal, to the PVC device shown below. The water enters the unit via the hose. The water then falls into the sump while the ozone gas is allowed to rise where it will be filtered by dry charcoal. Works perfectly.

Below is a pic of the two reactors.

Here is a tank set up in my home. This pic was taken from the family room. Directly on the other side of the tank is the kitchen.

 

[Trickman2]

vamaro If you have kids or animals that may not be true. Secondly the gentlemen was talking about baby puppies. Just more of a risk, if your child or dog decides to disrupt the system. They could easily get hurt. A cable gets knocked loose. A puppy chews on one, or your little one pulls it loose and puts it in her mouth. Is this likely to happen? Well it happened to one three year old. You never know. Well comes down to what are you willing to risk? My answer was it was not worth the risk vs reward. My children are both under 2 years old. I had a high end unit that could have put out a lot which equaled Greater Risk. The benefits of ozone are not significant enough to take the risk. :blown: I am not willing to Risk my families health.

Good luck but just something to think about.

Nice looking tank by the way, but the risk should be noted. Everyone's circumstances are different and it might not have the same Risk level for you.

I run my ozone inside my house. My tank is a room separator between the kitchen and the family room. Tank is less the. 3 feet from the kitchen table and my wife would flip of there was an odor.

It's not an issue if its set up correctly. During my initial set up I followed the manufacturers instructions and had a ozone smell immediately. I then made a very simple device from PVC that allows the processed water to go back into the sump and the gas to rise where it can be filtered with charcoal. It works great. I have posted pics on various threads of my ozone setup.
I run my ozone thru an ozone reactor, then to another reactor with charcoal, to the PVC device shown below. The water enters the unit via the hose. The water then falls into the sump while the ozone gas is allowed to rise where it will be filtered by dry charcoal. Works perfectly.

Below is a pic of the two reactors.

Here is a tank set up in my home. This pic was taken from the family room. Directly on the other side of the tank is the kitchen.

 

[vamaro]

Thanks and noted. I do have a kid and a bulldog. However, as you can see everything is closed and secure. The same theory would go for every electrical cord/outlet and gas line in the house. Things need to be child and pet proof.

One thing to note since we are on the safety topic is that it's important to change the hoses. I change the hoses every 6 months. For the most part the water hoses seem to hold up fine and probably could last longer but the air line coming from the ozone unit to the reactor starts to feel stiff.

Also for me the ozone makes a big difference in my tank. I am not into corals and instead keep some big fish including a queen trigger that is pushing 12 to 13 inches. Prior to having the ozone, my orp was around 290, massive algae issues, and had to perform major water changes weekly just to get the tank up. Within days after installing the ozone my water was crystal clear and my orp was running about 350. After a out 9 months, 98 % of the algae was gone. Now I only run the ozone 3 hours per day to keep the water clear and the algae at bay.

Prior to the ozone I was running a 57 watt Agua UV. It helped somewhat with water clarity but not nearly like ozone. Did zero for my algae problem.

 

[Trickman2]

Good to know, I do understand childproofing and have done much of it. Just in the end decided was not something I needed. It is something everyone must decide for themselves. Throw the risks out there and let them make the call. At least they will be a little more cautious and think about it. Good note on replacing tubing.

 

[Al_katone]

what a nice post, all my questions have answers now

 

[Kosmos]

Good post


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