Pairing injured clownfish

This has been the extent of their interaction thus far.

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Leave him for a few days, no need to rush. Mine ignored her new friend for the first day and a half then started checking him out more.
 
Ok sounds good. I definitely don't want to rush and have to pull him out. He just seems to be going nuts in that little cage. I think the tangs are freaking him out when they try to get at the pellets in the box lol. As soon as I posted this she left her bta and has been checking him out ever since. He does seem to be lunging at her through the container. Hopefully I'm wrong.

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If this looks normal, then just release in a few days as long as there aren't any changes in behavior?
 
Hard to tell at the moment, If after a while you notice strong aggression from both of them while the new one is in the box, I'd suggest taking it back and trying for one even smaller if possible. Really strong aggression from BOTH could mean two females. But at this moment, I'd say he's more interested in the hiding spots in the rocks, you have a fairly busy tank with big tangs coming by, could be just wanting to hide, or could be aggression. Better to wait and see what happens when she approaches the box, if he shows no signs of aggression, only shyness while she's by the box, it'll be more likely a male.
 
They were posturing to each other for a while. Turning sideways and twitching. The new one was the only one to turn itself vertical and twitch, if that means anything. I can post some more video in a few hours.

I actually wanted to order a much smaller one but my wife insisted this new one would be smaller than our existing one.
 
In nature, the dominant animal need to defend itself. Natural is very brutal to fallen or weaken leaders. They will be kill and another raise to take their place if they are not strong enough to defend themselves from others.
Your fish is deformed, It is possible that he will not be able to defend himself or exert his dominant on the second fish. The second fish may growth and become dominant. When this happened, if the original fish is still a male then there will not be problem, but if he have change to female, then he will be kill.

You original, deformed fish need to be pair with a larger fish if he have not turn to female. If he is a she already, then she need to be keep alone for the rest of her life.

In my tank in the past (450 gal) I had a harem of Royal Gramma. The harem have been together for 6 + years when the dominate male get weaker, due to age I think. The largest female then turn male and promptly killed him and take over.

Right now I have a shoal of Lye Tail Anthias in my tank (320 gal) There are 6 Anthias originally. Reading that the ratio of Male to famales is about 1 to 8 in the wild. I added another anthias female to the tank. This is a small one. It seem that the male anthias spend a lot of energy patrol and exert dominant over the females. Anyway, the largest female, which is almost as big as the male, start to change to become male. The new male promptly kill the old male and take over. I am not sure why he was not able to exert dominant over his females. He may be old, or he may have too many female to harass over.

The point of my two observations above is that dominant fish need to be strong and exert their dominant over their subordinates. If they cannot, as your deformed fish likely will not able to, they will be kill by the former subordinate.

This is my thought you can take it or not it is up to you. Best of luck.
 
Thanks Minh, that was my original concern. Any way to tell the sex or which one is dominant by the posturing and displaying they are doing? Does one sex do some move/display that the other does not?
 
There is not really anyway to tell. I have seen bot dominate clown and smaller clown shakes when they get use to each other. You two fish is just about the same size. I would release them together, if there is a lot of fighting that does nto resolve they I would remove the new one. Otherwise I think the new one will keep growing and become the female of the pair.
 
Your previous post indicated that he is only .5-.75 inches, He is not a female. I think you will be fine as is. Better if you can trade the new one for a larger one, but if you cannot then just leave them be as is.
 
I actually started this thread in 2012 but only got one answer, so I decided to bump this up with the new situation rather than start a new thread.

The established one is not much bigger than at the time of the original posting, currently about 1.25"-1.5". The new one is maybe 1/8" longer because of the intact tail, but shorter top to bottom by about 1/8", and much thinner. I'd estimate that the established clown weighs about 20-30% more than the new one. They were both doing the pairing dancing last night for a few hours. They both turned sideways and twitched, although the new one did the turning/twitching more often. And the new one was the only one to turn vertical, but I haven't been able to find anything about that particular gesture, so I'm chalking that up to being in the small box. Not sure if the new size/behavior info changes anything.

He also doesn't have a problem chasing off the large tangs that are 100 times his size when they get too close to his anemone. They of course ignore him, but it's cute to watch him try lol.
 
Lights have been on for a few hours today and they largely ignore each other. Haven't seen any dancing yet today.
 
These next two videos are more for reference or anyone who comes along this thread in the future with similar circumstances. They seem to be getting along for now. They follow each other around, not chasing, but calmly. And whenever the old clown goes into the bta the new one follows, although doesn't actually touch it yet. Just kind of hovers closely, barely out of reach of the tentacles. I'll keep a very close eye on them in the next few days but I'm hopeful.

These videos were also taken in order, top to bottom. So the chasing was first, twitching/dancing followed.

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Excellent reference videos as you mentioned. Very interested to see how the relationship develops but a very clear difference between the 2 videos so looking optimisticj
 
If your original tailless clown has been alone in your tank for any length of time, it's probly turned female. Watching that 1st video, I thought you might have 2 females & gonna have to separate them (esp. from the locked mouth aggression); but they seem to be getting along better in 2nd vid. If you notice any torn fins or other damage, I'd suggest returning the new one for a smaller juvie. Good luck!
 
Thanks. Although I don't actually know what's going on in the videos as these are my actual fish in them. They did the dancing for 20-30 minutes, followed by probably 10-15 minutes of "fighting", then another 20-30 of dancing. Then they took a break for an hour or so, just swimming around, sometimes together. Now for the last 10-15 minutes they're back to "fighting" as in the first video. No visible bight marks as of yet. I've been feeding very heavily during this process. Already fed 4 times today, and they ate every time.

As I write this they appear to be transitioning back to dancing. The submissive twitching is split about 60/40 between the two, with the new one doing the 60%.

Is this the normal course? "fighting"-->dancing-->"fighting"-->dancing? I hesitate to call it fighting as they aren't doing any visible damage yet, but I'm not certain.
 
Are either of them, esp. the new one, doing the submissive twitching? Not sure you should be feeding so much. It might set your chemistries off. Clowns are little pigs & will usually eat as much as you give them, as many times as you give it.
 
Thanks guys. I'm not quite sure what to make of the going back and forth between fighting and dancing.
 
Are either of them, esp. the new one doing the submissive twitching?

Yeah. I actually had to edit my post after yours, because by the time I finished it they started dancing again lol.

The submissive twitching is split about 60/40 between the two, with the new one doing the 60%.
 
I'm not worried about filtration. I usually feed 2-3 times a day anyway, and my skimmer is good for 600 gallons heavy load. I dose vinegar and run an ATS. But if it throws a wrench into things by distracting them I can stop.

I know it's going to vary from each individual situation with different specimens, but how long does it usually take for them to decide whether or not they will pair up? If you asked 1000 people of their experience, there has to be an average. Hours? Days?
 
With all the percs, b/w occys, maroon & tomato clowns I've had over the last 12 yrs, I've never noticed any set timeframe whenever I was trying to pair them up. Sometimes it happened right away, other times days, sometimes never...kinda like getting a clown to climb into an anemone...Ya just never know...;)
I've never kept skunk clowns so I can't say if they're any different. Maybe someone else can chime in about skunks behavior. I'd give it a few more days unless fighting gets worse & alot of damage is done to either. When you bought the new one was it in a cube by itself at LFS, or in w/ a clutch of other skunks? If alone, it may have turned female too.
 
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