Pedal laceration in Gigantea

Did either of you try doxycycline? It has been a while, but there was a thread where somebody was using it successfully for either H. magnifica or giganteas. I don't remember which and the search function didn't turn up any threads for me.

No, I have not tried but I think it belongs to the same family of antibiotics

I have reduced the photoperiod to:

10:00 to 15:00 blue LEDs
15:00 to 21:00 daylight LEDs
21:00 to 02:00 blue LEDs
02:00 to 10:00 bluemoon

The anemone is not still completely inflated but he is looking better day by day.
 
Did either of you try doxycycline? It has been a while, but there was a thread where somebody was using it successfully for either H. magnifica or giganteas. I don't remember which and the search function didn't turn up any threads for me.

I certainly appreciate the efforts that you guys are going through to try and further our understanding of a very difficult anemone species.

I have not, but I have read on-line somewhere (for what that is worth), that doxycycline can but prescribed along with enrofloxacin. This is not the information I read at the time(link below), but came up in a google search. There are a lot of hits so clearly their interaction is not counterproductive. Interestingly enough, a combo came up with metronidazole in it as well (along with enrofloxacin and doxycycline). I am pretty sure I have some of that lying around from fish treatments.

http://www.microbugs.org/showabstract.php?pmid=9371348

I am not sure what would be wrong with your dog/cat if you needed this cocktail of antibiotice, because it seems enrofloxacin is pretty extreme to begin with. I hope my dog never finds out. Doxycycline is certainly easier to get a hold of.
 
Did either of you try doxycycline? It has been a while, but there was a thread where somebody was using it successfully for either H. magnifica or giganteas. I don't remember which and the search function didn't turn up any threads for me.

I certainly appreciate the efforts that you guys are going through to try and further our understanding of a very difficult anemone species.

Phil,
I have used Doxy on H.magnifica anemones with mixed results.

Here is the link I think you are looking for:

QT Procedures for Anemones

I have two H.magnifica anemone's currently. One I've had for almost 5 years, the other I've had for a little over two months, and is in the process of rehabilitating and acclimating to captivity.

The first is mentioned in the thread I linked to. I'd had it for about a year, got another one and put it in the display tank with the original. I thought that since the original was healthy, the water quality in the tank was good and therefore gave the new arrival the best chance for success. What happened was the new arrival was sick, and promptly infected my healthy one. The new arrival died within a day or two and the original hung on for a few days looking worse every day.

I spoke to a LFS owner who reccomended the Doxy, and went to the vet. I have a large breed dog, (Not like yours Phil, but still pretty big) and explained what I needed and why to my dog's vet. He was surprised, but went along with it.

I did a 12 hour total bath with the sick anemone. It was placed into a viewer/specimen container like the ones used at LFS for placing fish in to sell. The container was kept in my display, hooked over the tank rim to keep it from going anywhere. The anemone was kept in the tank to maintain light and temp as normal. I inserted an airstone in the container with the anemone and a single pill of Doxy, (dont recall the dosage per pill. Will get that information when I get home) and let it sit.

The anemone was slime-ing pretty heavily and caused the air bubbles from the stone to build up to a Doxy mucus wall. I placed an acrylic sheet over the top of the container to prevent it from running into the display.

After 6 hours I did a 100% water change in the container, and added another doxy pill and reinserted the air stone.

After 12 hours total, the anemone looked better, but still deflated and unhappy. I returned the anemone to the display in the hopes that it would get better. It would deflate/inflate for a short period of time for the next 3 days, and then finally stopped doing that altogether.

I have attempted to treat other H.magnifica anemones prior to keeping them in QT. Some looked better afterwards, some did not. For various reasons, none of the others survived, until this latest one.

I suspect that Doxy only affects certain types of bacteria. Its been awhile since my bio chem/Micro Bio days, but IIRC, Doxy is a gram postive anti-bacterial and doesnt affect gram negative strains of bacteria....or vice versa :crazy1:

Nick
 
The gigantea din not inflate completly.Was improving until he stopped in 50% aprox. during several days. I increased the current to modify this variable and it deflated very quick in only one day.

I removed him today and placed in QT with 50 mg/l of chroramfenicol. There is also the blue hadonni in the same tank and maybe there is also a chemical war. I do not know what to think at this point of the story, maybe is time to remove for some days the hadonni, but my other QT is occupied with a tang. If I recover the gig again I will trasnfer the tang to the sump and remove the hadonni.

I can not get either one of the two nems to be completly inflated during 24 hours.
 
The gigantea din not inflate completly.Was improving until he stopped in 50% aprox. during several days. I increased the current to modify this variable and it deflated very quick in only one day.

I removed him today and placed in QT with 50 mg/l of chroramfenicol. There is also the blue hadonni in the same tank and maybe there is also a chemical war. I do not know what to think at this point of the story, maybe is time to remove for some days the hadonni, but my other QT is occupied with a tang. If I recover the gig again I will trasnfer the tang to the sump and remove the hadonni.

I can not get either one of the two nems to be completly inflated during 24 hours.

You sure would answer some questions if you can seperate the two for some time
 
Hi, updated tonight:

The gig after two days in DT transfered after two days in QT with antibiotics:

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I have removed the blue hadonni. He never was complete inflated with day lights on and is suffering a lot of stress from the amphiprion polymnus (Their size is huge in comparation). I took him with the rock he was attached to. I will transfer the two amphiprion polymnus to another QT before reintroducing the hadonni.

Before removal:

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After placed in QT with antibiotic. Please note in the second picture how it opens the mouth towards the current.

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I know he does not look very well but he is behaving in cycles of inflation and deflation following blue light-day light photoperiod.

If we see a significative improvement in the green gigantea during the time the hadonni is out I should start considering chemical interaction. I am running 1 Kg of activated carbon in a fluidized reactor, plus another 1 kg in the sump, after the skimmer outflow. Total vol is 500 litres (125 gal)
 
Updated, this afternoon photos. The gig in DT and the hadonni in QT with antibiotic:

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I will wait for two days and then reintroduce the blue hadonni back to DT. If the gigantea deflates them I think allelopathy is present between them.

Any ideas, thoughts?
 
Allelopathy could very well be the culprit. I used to have Macrodactyla doreensis in my tank, but when I introduced a blue haddoni the Doreensis almost completely deflated looking like death, and they never opened up fully again when sharing the tank with the haddoni. The haddoni probably shed some nematocysts into the water when being dropped in my aquarium. In the end I had to give away the doreensis to ensure their best health. It is also possible that your gigantea could very well be suffering from a bacterial infection, and the presence of the other anemones is adding further stress to the animal due to allelopathy. Just my thoughts.
 
Thanks ocellaris123

Do you think is there a significant degree of consenus between aquarists about allelopathy among anemones?.

I never hear about it outside this forum.
 
Not sure what others think, but i'm sure allelopathy occurs when mixing different anemone species. Some people have had luck mixing anemone species together, some with multiple species coexisting with out any negative reactions. Than there are those who have had bad experiences with mixing different host species. The first time I read about the negatives about mixing different anemone species was from A. Calfo on wetweb.
 
OK, would be so interesting to understand how it works. I tried with google search but I only could find articles about allelopathy between anemones and algae.

Then, can I assume no problems of chemical warfare with another gigantea placed in my tank?
 
I have never had success mixing Haddonis and Gigs. Multiple Gigs OR multiple Haddonis no problem, but not been lucky mixing them. After a while (in my case) the Gig would always deflate and become unhealthy until removed.
 
There could be chemical interactions between a gigantea and magnifica. I would focus on getting this gigantea to 100% before you try the mix.
 
The hadonni will be picken up by a friend next weekend. I hope he does ok in his tank.

Now I am trying to feed the gigantea for first time. I stop the vortechs and place some krill near the mouth but the nem does not make any movement...

I added a vial of reefbooster and he inflated just a bit more.
 
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