pencil urchin

tongabranch

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I have checked out some of the " Tankmates" threads and info from a few places, (here on RC, Seahorse.org, etc.) and couldn't find anything about pencil urchins.

They are condidered peaceful, and I have a FOWLR, seahorse/cardinal tank. I would like to add one.

Any experience??

Also have te regular crew. Skunk cleaner, red legs, various small snails, pods, etc.
 
I haven't had any experience with pencils and seahorses, but I did have to banish mine to the sump after I caught it eating my frogspawn's skeleton.
 
I guess while I'm at it. I have heard varying opinions on seahorses and the following as tankmates:

Emerald crabs
Skunk cleaner shrimp
blue leg hermits
pencil urchins
pin cushion uchins

I have heard both safe and not safe on all. Any opinions based on actual tanking??
 
I don't know one way or the other but I feel you on the mixed mesages. Thats the problem with asking questions on these forums everyone has a different anwser and who knows who the info is realy comeing from it could be some 15 year old that doesn't know what there talking about that dosen't have anything better to do but try to ruen your tank!
 
Personally, I wouldn't keep pencil urchins with seahorses. They are omnivorous and I've found them eating almost anything. When I was working retail, I remember having to move pencil's out of a tank with other urchins because they were eating the other urchins!

Take that FWIW, but I'd put any other urchin with seahorses, but pencil urchins (well, maybe not diadema urchins, but you get the idea...). Tuxedo urchins are a good choice...
 
one of the things folks need to remember when considering SH tankmates is that SH spend much of their time hitched and thus stationary, making them easy targets for opportunistic predators/omnivores. this is especially true of sleeping SH, which is typically when these critters are out on the prowl for a meal.

i keep no crabs at all in my SH setups, as i've found that even scarlet reef hermits will latch onto a SH's tail. i prefer to keep true peppermint shrimp in these systems. i know emeralds were mentioned, and when they get some size on them, they can be fairly aggressive.

i kept a pencil urchin in one of my SH tanx for quite awhile, but my wife (seahorsedreams) banished it to the sump when she found it munching on her zoanthids one evening. tuxedos or pincusions are the best choices, tuxedos being the better option IMHO. just remember, those cute little urchins will get some size on them after awhile.

as for skunk cleaners, i've heard of more problems than not when folks keep them w/SH, but as mentioned, it's a crap shoot.

i know in a sense, a lot of this sounds negative, but the bottom line is if you decide to keep SH, you kinda have to tend to their specific needs first, which is why i keep species setups for them with a snail-heavy CUC.

HTH
 
This is all great advice!!!!

I think I will go with a Blue Tuxedo Urchin. Do I have to worry about it poisoning the tank if it dies?

I agree about the Emerald, they look angry at everything.. lol.

I was going to add some of the small Red legs hermits. Smaller than the scarlet reef ones I believe, and a riot to watch. I have kept them in a SH only tank before without issue.

I really want to put a Skunk in there. I will have to do some more thinking about it, I'm not much of a gambler.

Peppermints are a definite. The only chore will be keeping them from stealing food from the feeding station. They also perform the cleaning service on fish....right?
 
From experience, I have a pencil from the Caribbean. For awhile it ate yucky hair algae (yea!), then moved to coraline (not so yea), then started to eat one of my healthy gorgonians (**** me off.) At this point, I might consider a blue tuxedo, as they are attractive and don't get too big, but I am not interested in any other urchins, for any of my systems.

I do have an emerald in a non-horse system, although he does live w/ a pipefish without any problems.

I love the porcelain crabs (the ones that don't live in symbiosis w/ anemones.) I consider them to be seahorse safe, but I don't know if anyone agrees w/ me.

Most people find that cleaner shrimp pick at and harass horses to the point of being an unnecessary stress.
 
last night I added; 8/ peppermints, 4/ tiny blue legged hermits, 6 nassarius snails, 6/Cerith snails, 6 Nerite snails, and 1/ black tuxedo urchin ( wanted blue but that's what I got, still very nice looking). That's my starting clean-up crew. The local guy I got them from is pretty well known in these parts for being a knowledgeable breeder/supplier. His experience with skunks and horses was, the horses seem to bother the skunk more than the opposite. He has had cases where the horses, when hungry, ganged up on the skunk and picked/snicked it until it was almost legless.

I drip acclimated everything for about 1 1/2 hrs last night, then dropped some pellet in there to keep the shrimp happy. When I checked this morning, one of the peppermints was completely gutted, cleaned out, nothing but a shell. Funny thing is, there is still some pellet left on the sand bed. go figure.

I'll be adding a pair of H. Reidi sometime this week. can't wait!!! ( but I will)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14956082#post14956082 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tongabranch
Peppermints are a definite. The only chore will be keeping them from stealing food from the feeding station. They also perform the cleaning service on fish....right?

the best thing to do if this is a problem is to raise the feeding station so they can't crawl into it.

i've never seen a pep clean a fish, but my nailbeds are spotless!
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14962077#post14962077 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tongabranch
When I checked this morning, one of the peppermints was completely gutted, cleaned out, nothing but a shell.

I'm not sure how much rock you have in your tank, but are you sure the shrimp didn't just molt and now is hiding? Sometimes changes in water (like going from one system to another) can bring about molting.
 
Molting??? I never thought of that. I guess it's possible. I have a pretty good amount of Marco key largo rock in there. It has a ton of great openings and hiding spots.

When I got up this morning, same thing, another empty shell. I can't always get an accurate count of them. I thought maybe they weren't responding to the pellet food, so I put some rinsed frozen mysis in today. They seemed to like that. I believe that's what they were accustomed to with the breeder. When they got big enough, they were in with other fish or horses that were being fed frozen mysis.

I guess I may never know....... although, knowing would make me feel better about getting more in the future.
 
the cast off cuticles are USUALLY attached to something and are kinda milky in appearance, but they are perfectly shaped like the shrimp.

HTH
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14969477#post14969477 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by namxas
the cast off cuticles are USUALLY attached to something and are kinda milky in appearance, but they are perfectly shaped like the shrimp.

HTH

That is exactly what they looked like.

I have only been able to count 6 of my original 8. If that were the case, it would make sense that they were cannibalized. I also think it would be easy enough for them to hide. Sooooo......

I'll go with I still have 8.......either way, they're really cool!!!
 
I lost a peppermint shrimp in my tank for almost six months one time. I'd assumed it had died, but then it reappeared one day when I was moving some rock around. They're sneaky.
 
Plus, they like to hide right after a molt, as they are particularly vunerable then (because the new exoskeleton isn't hard right away -- predators know this, and will go after them then.)
 
i saw a system with pencil urchins and seahorses, the seahorse hitched to one of the tubes (not the feet but the ones used for defense, and limited movement) and the pencil urchin started trying to crush the sea horse. the sea horse was wrirthing around until the dude was able to get the twezers inbetween the two stick things and pushed it open
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14985110#post14985110 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ctenophors rule
i saw a system with pencil urchins and seahorses, the seahorse hitched to one of the tubes (not the feet but the ones used for defense, and limited movement) and the pencil urchin started trying to crush the sea horse. the sea horse was wrirthing around until the dude was able to get the twezers inbetween the two stick things and pushed it open


YIKES!!!!!
 
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