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[edsbeaker]

Hi,
I'm trying to decide if it is OK to add another fish to a tank with a possible bully.

About 3 weeks ago I added a multicolor angelfish to my 75G reef with 30G sump, and the next day a flame angelfish. The multicolor angel harassed the flame angel relentlessly causing many of his fins to be chewed up horribly. The flame angel is out of the tank and safe. I was wondering, though, if this aggression is more likely due to the fish added being another angel or if this fish is just a bully and will go after anything I may add to the tank? He is fine with all other inhabitants showing no other aggression at all.

I know this question may not have a definitive answer but am interested in your thoughts and advice. I've kept multiple dwarf angels in tanks in the past with no problems, so this caught me off guard. This is my first multicolor, though.

Fish inhabitants:
Royal Gramma
Midas Blenny
Flame Hawkfish
Red Banded High Fin Goby
2 Booyah buckshot clownfish
Multicolor angel
2" Hippo tang- (I realize the size issue with the tank, but for now he is in there)

My first choice would be to try another variety of dwarf angel, if possible. Otherwise a wrasse, (the tank is covered), Any thoughts?

 

[snorvich]

Hi,
I'm trying to decide if it is OK to add another fish to a tank with a possible bully.

About 3 weeks ago I added a multicolor angelfish to my 75G reef with 30G sump, and the next day a flame angelfish. The multicolor angel harassed the flame angel relentlessly causing many of his fins to be chewed up horribly. The flame angel is out of the tank and safe. I was wondering, though, if this aggression is more likely due to the fish added being another angel or if this fish is just a bully and will go after anything I may add to the tank? He is fine with all other inhabitants showing no other aggression at all.

I know this question may not have a definitive answer but am interested in your thoughts and advice. I've kept multiple dwarf angels in tanks in the past with no problems, so this caught me off guard. This is my first multicolor, though.

Fish inhabitants:
Royal Gramma
Midas Blenny
Flame Hawkfish
Red Banded High Fin Goby
2 Booyah buckshot clownfish
Multicolor angel
2" Hippo tang- (I realize the size issue with the tank, but for now he is in there)

My first choice would be to try another variety of dwarf angel, if possible. Otherwise a wrasse, (the tank is covered), Any thoughts?

Multiple dwarf angels are possible in a 75 gallon tank. Normally, it is ideal to introduce them together since once established, the first introduced feels it owns the ecological niche. I have had multicolors and they tend to be a bit on the aggressive side especially if there first.

 

[edsbeaker]

Multiple dwarf angels are possible in a 75 gallon tank. Normally, it is ideal to introduce them together since once established, the first introduced feels it owns the ecological niche. I have had multicolors and they tend to be a bit on the aggressive side especially if there first.

Thanks, Steve. I won't try another dwarf angel, but in your experience are the multicolors aggressive towards other non-angels if I want to add another fish?

 

[snorvich]

Thanks, Steve. I won't try another dwarf angel, but in your experience are the multicolors aggressive towards other non-angels if I want to add another fish?

Not to others not in the same ecological niche. No grazers, otherwise, should be ok.

 

[McCabe0930]

new 135g set up here are the fish/ inverts/ corals

new 135g set up here are the fish/ inverts/ corals

We are setting up a 36x36x26 tank looking to add Led's either Ecotech Radion or AI Vega or Sol. We want to have a reef tank, we will have a mud refugium and vortex protein skimmer. 135lb++ live rock from tampa bay rocks
Corals to include:
Sponge, Gorgonians, Star Polyps, Bubble Tip Anemone, Pagoda Cup, Mushrooms, Leathers, Zoanthids, Montipora, Plate Corals and maybe a welso

Inverts to include:
3 Cleaner shirmp, 2 serpent stars, 2 tiger tail cucumbers, 3 peppermint shrimp, 62 mexican turbo snails, 20 nassarius snails, 135 blue leg hermits, 1 urchin, maxima clam, porcelin crab, 1 arrow crab, refuge starting with 2000 pods to seed from reefs2go.com

Fish to include:
Foxface, Midas Blenny, 4 Pearly Jawfish, Pair Clownfish occelaris, Pair Green Mandarin, 2 Neon Gobys, Yasha Goby, Wheelers Goby, Royal Gamma, 3 Firefish, Forktail Blenny, and Barnacle Blenny


Any input or suggestions are welcome.

 

[Mxx]

Thanks in advance for advising me on this! I bought a used 34 gallon all in one JAD (Boyu 550/Orca clone). It was modified with decent LED lighting, a Tunze 9002 skimmer, and I have a good extra powerhead in the tank, so filtration, flow, and lighting should be decent. I have about 20kg of live rock from an established system, arranged so I won't have dead spots, and the tank is fishless cycling for a while. And I plan on keeping primarily soft corals, some hard corals eventually, and seagrass.

For fish I was thinking of the following, added in this order:
2 Common/Percula Clownfish
2 Banggai Cardinals (A pair if I kind find one)
2 Royal Gramma
1 Banana Wrasse
(2 Purple Filefish Goby pair, perhaps, and I have a tight fitting canopy)

However, Aqadvisor suggests that takes me to 118% percent stocking capacity, so perhaps I'd either drop the Filefish, or drop one of the Royal Grammas and the Banana Wrasse. Nevertheless this was more fish than I had expected to be able to accommodate, which is why I thought I should check. I was considering a Cherub Pygmy Angelfish as well, in case I was willing to replace one of the others. And I'd either add these fish in two or three lots over 8 to 12 months.

For cleanup crew/algae control, I'd anticipate adding:
1 Blood Red Shrimp
5 Cerith Snails
5 Nassarius Snails
5 Nerite Snails
5 Trochus Snails
5 Tectus Snails
These are the snail numbers I had seen recommended for this size tank, though I'm not quite sure if the numbers were cumulative if I happen to have 4 different species of snails for eating algae, (and hopefully not eating my seagrasses)?

 

[snorvich]

We are setting up a 36x36x26 tank looking to add Led's either Ecotech Radion or AI Vega or Sol. We want to have a reef tank, we will have a mud refugium and vortex protein skimmer. 135lb++ live rock from tampa bay rocks
Corals to include:
Sponge, Gorgonians, Star Polyps, Bubble Tip Anemone, Pagoda Cup, Mushrooms, Leathers, Zoanthids, Montipora, Plate Corals and maybe a welso

Inverts to include:
3 Cleaner shirmp, 2 serpent stars, 2 tiger tail cucumbers, 3 peppermint shrimp, 62 mexican turbo snails, 20 nassarius snails, 135 blue leg hermits, 1 urchin, maxima clam, porcelin crab, 1 arrow crab, refuge starting with 2000 pods to seed from reefs2go.com arrow crabs take fish, hermits kill snails

Fish to include:
Foxface, Midas Blenny, 4 Pearly Jawfish, Pair Clownfish occelaris, Pair Green Mandarin, 2 Neon Gobys, Yasha Goby, Wheelers Goby, Royal Gamma, 3 Firefish, Forktail Blenny, and Barnacle Blenny

Blennies do not like each other, neon gobies can only exist as mated pairs or singles, firefish can only exist long term as mated pairs or singles, I would wait on the mandarins until the tank is 9 months old.


Any input or suggestions are welcome.

 

[snorvich]

Thanks in advance for advising me on this! I bought a used 34 gallon all in one JAD (Boyu 550/Orca clone). It was modified with decent LED lighting, a Tunze 9002 skimmer, and I have a good extra powerhead in the tank, so filtration, flow, and lighting should be decent. I have about 20kg of live rock from an established system, arranged so I won't have dead spots, and the tank is fishless cycling for a while. And I plan on keeping primarily soft corals, some hard corals eventually, and seagrass.

For fish I was thinking of the following, added in this order:
2 Common/Percula Clownfish
2 Banggai Cardinals (A pair if I kind find one) Should be tank raised and if not a pair, only one
2 Royal Gramma in a small tank, only one
1 Banana Wrasse needs a much larger tank
(2 Purple Filefish Goby pair, perhaps, and I have a tight fitting canopy) two if only a pair

However, Aqadvisor suggests that takes me to 118% percent stocking capacity,

anyone providing such a number has no idea of what they are talking about

so perhaps I'd either drop the Filefish, or drop one of the Royal Grammas and the Banana Wrasse. Nevertheless this was more fish than I had expected to be able to accommodate, which is why I thought I should check. I was considering a Cherub Pygmy Angelfish as well, in case I was willing to replace one of the others. And I'd either add these fish in two or three lots over 8 to 12 months.

For cleanup crew/algae control, I'd anticipate adding:
1 Blood Red Shrimp
5 Cerith Snails
5 Nassarius Snails
5 Nerite Snails
5 Trochus Snails
5 Tectus Snails
These are the snail numbers I had seen recommended for this size tank, though I'm not quite sure if the numbers were cumulative if I happen to have 4 different species of snails for eating algae, (and hopefully not eating my seagrasses)?

 

[Mxx]

I'm certainly glad I asked!

I'm not sure of the metrics which Aqadvisor uses, but with that fish load how close to my maximum stocking capacity do you think I actually am? (Not that I want to necessarily be at absolutely full stocking capacity either, of course).

There are a decent number of captive-bred Banggai Cardinals here just recently, fortunately, and otherwise I'd have skipped them. I'd actually heard it suggested that it's best to get four of them young, and as soon as two of them pair off then make sure to get the other two out quickly. At least four juvenile Bang's shouldn't have a larger bioload than 2 mature adults.

Okay, so out with one of the Royal Gramma's and the Banana Wrasse, and in with a Pygmy Cherub Angelfish, if I can find one.

The moment I got my tank the wife and kids were all insisting that I get a Yellow Tang, Blue Tang, and anemone... So that took a bit of explaining on why we couldn't possibly do that. The wife really wanted a yellow fish though, so I'm in trouble when I tell her now that she can't have a Banana Wrasse either. I'd considered a Lemonpeel Dwarf Angel, but my tank is on the small side for that, and I heard that they have a bad reputation for not being coral safe.

I'm sure I can lie to the kids and convince them that a Hammer Coral is actually an anemone, despite that they might hold that against me later in life! I would like to get a Bubble Tip Anemone, but of course should hold off for a year before doing that, which is a little unfortunate as I hear it is good to get them in early so they can find a place where they are happy instead of trampling around the tank zapping all the corals in its path subsequently.

 

[88rxna]

90 gallon DT
30 gallon sump
currently have only a CUC, eagle eye zoas and some GSP
been up and running since june.

heres what im thinking?
1 yellow goby watchman/pistol shrimp pair
2-3 blue reef chromis
1 blue head faire wrasse
(2)pair of tank bred clowns
(the maybes)
flame angelfish (IF i can keep it from eating my corals)
green mandarin

 

[Denzil]

Thanks for your responses, Steve!

 

[Ryand63]

29 AGA standard tank. 25lbs LR, 40 lbs LS. No sump, skimmer being bought next week or two. Currently have 1 cleaner shrimp, 1 bangaii cardinal and 1 misbar clown. Would like:

1 flame angel
1 yellow wrasse

A concern is the yellow wrasse eating the shrimp? Do you know if they are known to pick at larger shrimp or just the small feeder type?

 

[morgan175]

110 gal
cpr aquafuge 36 x 12
2 150 halide with power compacts

4 green chromis in tank
now in order to put into tank
lawnmower blenny
fox face
powder brown tang
dwarf angel (flame angel)

sps at the end zoas and softies now

 

[snorvich]

90 gallon DT
30 gallon sump
currently have only a CUC, eagle eye zoas and some GSP
been up and running since june.

heres what im thinking?
1 yellow goby watchman/pistol shrimp pair
2-3 blue reef chromis
1 blue head faire wrasse
(2)pair of tank bred clowns
(the maybes)
flame angelfish (IF i can keep it from eating my corals)
green mandarin

Dwarf angels are pretty much a roll of the dice with regards to not eating coral. Otherwise, fine.

 

[SnowflakeE]

I have a 110G with around 70+ pounds of live rock and a 40 gallon sump and I'm giving some fish away and hoping to start with a small harlequin tusk is that possible I have a friend with a 280G that could take it when it gets to large

 

[snorvich]

29 AGA standard tank. 25lbs LR, 40 lbs LS. No sump, skimmer being bought next week or two. Currently have 1 cleaner shrimp, 1 bangaii cardinal and 1 misbar clown. Would like:

1 flame angel
1 yellow wrasse

A concern is the yellow wrasse eating the shrimp? Do you know if they are known to pick at larger shrimp or just the small feeder type?

Non-reef safe wrasses are a danger to shrimp and similar. Otherwise, your stocking list is fine except know that any dwarf angel is not coral safe.

 

[snorvich]

I have a 110G with around 70+ pounds of live rock and a 40 gallon sump and I'm giving some fish away and hoping to start with a small harlequin tusk is that possible I have a friend with a 280G that could take it when it gets to large

We at Reef Central do not believe in acquiring fish that must be later re-homed.

 

[snorvich]

110 gal
cpr aquafuge 36 x 12
2 150 halide with power compacts

4 green chromis in tank will eventually become one or two
now in order to put into tank
lawnmower blenny
fox face
powder brown tang
dwarf angel (flame angel) not coral safe

sps at the end zoas and softies now

 

[SnowflakeE]

Could I keep the tusk in my tank?

 

[cherubfish pair]

Okay I have a 29 gallon setup for about a year now with lots of rock and sand. In another year I would like to upgrade to a 50 or 75 gallon. Right now I have 4 fish all about an inch long:

sixline wrasse
ocellaris clown
blue/green chromis

and a newly added royal gramma

I feed the fish heavy and they all get along. I hope the sixline doesn't get territorial.

I gave up on getting a captive bred kaudern's cardinal from Liveaquaria. Two of them in a row were DOA. I think I'll stay away from those.


I would like to add soon:

fireball angel (C. aurantonotus) but I don't know what to do if he starts nipping corals. I have very few corals now since I just started stocking corals and don't know what I'd get rid of, fish or coral. Is there any rule of thumb which corals these angels will nip?