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[snorvich]

Will a Dogface puffer chase a saltwater Catfish?
Will a saltwater Catfish chase a Parrotfish?

;-p

I cannot answer questions in isolation of an entire stocking plan, but parrotfish are not reef safe, saltwater catfish are venomous, and get large. Dogface puffers or any puffer are aggressive

 

[DragKnee]

Tank: Innovative Marine Nuvo 16 (Stock setup; no sump, refugium, or skimmer - I will buy a small skimmer like this though if I find I need to)

Doing 20lbs Live Sand, 16lbs Live Rock, and Corals (Though I don't know what, yet)

Livestock:
- 2 clownfish
- 2 kaudern's cardinals
- 1 fire shrimp (or some form of shrimp)
- 1 mandarin (Maybe?)

Any other cleaners I should get, or crabs or whatnot?

Is it possible to put an anemone in the tank, or is it way too small?

In a few months, if everything is going well, I plan on upgrading the (2) 8W LED setups that come with it, with their (1) 30W here: http://www.marinedepot.com/Innovati...-Innovative_Marine-0I10259-FILTFILDTN-vi.html (I think the 92w would be waaay too much for the 16), so I can maybe run different corals that need more light than the 8W's produce.

 

[snorvich]

Tank: Innovative Marine Nuvo 16 (Stock setup; no sump, refugium, or skimmer - I will buy a small skimmer like this though if I find I need to)

Doing 20lbs Live Sand, 16lbs Live Rock, and Corals (Though I don't know what, yet)

Livestock:
- 2 clownfish
- 2 kaudern's cardinals tank bred only

4 fish, two of which are clowns, in this sized tank (16 gallons) is not likely to be long term successful.

- 1 fire shrimp (or some form of shrimp)
- 1 mandarin (Maybe?) Your odds of success in this sized tank are slim and none.

Any other cleaners I should get, or crabs or whatnot?

Is it possible to put an anemone in the tank, or is it way too small?

In a few months, if everything is going well, I plan on upgrading the (2) 8W LED setups that come with it, with their (1) 30W here: http://www.marinedepot.com/Innovati...-Innovative_Marine-0I10259-FILTFILDTN-vi.html (I think the 92w would be waaay too much for the 16), so I can maybe run different corals that need more light than the 8W's produce.

 

[DragKnee]

So what would you recommend?

Any help with the other questions?

Would it be possible to run just 2 clownfish, and a goby for fish, and manage an anemone?

What size tank would allow for a mandarin? Would it be possible to have a 10 gallon strictly for LR and 1 mandarin as the only fish? (I ask because I don't know what I want to do with the 10gal yet) ... or should I wait on the Mandarin till I can get a much larger tank?

 

[snorvich]

So what would you recommend?

Any help with the other questions? This thread is only about marine fish compatibility.

As those who follow this thread know, I do not provide recommendations; I am, however, always willing to reanalyze stocking lists for suitability.

Would it be possible to run just 2 clownfish, and a goby for fish, and manage an anemone?

No. The tank is not large enough for two clownfish let alone two clownfish and an anemone.

What size tank would allow for a mandarin? 75 gallons. Or a tank plus refugium equaling 75 gallons.


Would it be possible to have a 10 gallon strictly for LR and 1 mandarin as the only fish? (I ask because I don't know what I want to do with the 10gal yet) ... or should I wait on the Mandarin till I can get a much larger tank?

If you want to be successful with a mandarin, I would wait until you have an appropriate sized tank.

 

[DragKnee]

Thank you kindly.

 

[snorvich]

Thank you kindly.

Always a pleasure. Feel free to check back with any marine fish compatibility questions.

 

[ChadRaay86]

Alright, I have a bunch of fish in my QT that I "saved" from a friend who didn't have time for his tank anymore. I lost a couple Anthias and a Desjardini due to their general ill health, but I'm having luck with the rest

They are:

2" Tomini Tang

3" Long nosed Hawkfish

2 Ocellaris Clowns (1-1.5")

1 2" Female Bellus Angelfish

4 3 year old blue green chromis

I have a 300 gallon 72x36x27 tank that is lightly stocked at the moment and I'm looking at adding the above fish to the mix after a very thorough QT

My current stock list is

3" Sailfin Tang

3" Fowleri Tang (He'll be headed to the local aquarium when he gets bigger, but I rescued him for the time being)

2" Kole Tang

3" Female Blackspot Angel

2" Starry Blenny

1 Ocellaris Clown

6 Blue Green Chromis

2 coral banded shrimp

1 cleaner

2 blood shrimp

I guess my main concerns lie with the bellus and black spot angels getting along (both female) and the Kole and Tomini Tangs leaving each other alone. I figure a 300 with a ton of hiding spaces would be sufficient, but given my aquascape complexity and the size of my tank, additions of small fish are somewhat permanent

Thanks in advance!

 

[snorvich]

Alright, I have a bunch of fish in my QT that I "saved" from a friend who didn't have time for his tank anymore. I lost a couple Anthias and a Desjardini due to their general ill health, but I'm having luck with the rest

They are:

2" Tomini Tang

3" Long nosed Hawkfish

2 Ocellaris Clowns (1-1.5")

1 2" Female Bellus Angelfish

4 3 year old blue green chromis

I have a 300 gallon 72x36x27 tank that is lightly stocked at the moment and I'm looking at adding the above fish to the mix after a very thorough QT

Unfortunately, I am not able to help you. A 300 gallon tank is not all that large and you have a lot of potential negative interactions. You only get two clownfish per tank, as an example.


My current stock list is

3" Sailfin Tang

3" Fowleri Tang (He'll be headed to the local aquarium when he gets bigger, but I rescued him for the time being)

2" Kole Tang

3" Female Blackspot Angel

2" Starry Blenny

1 Ocellaris Clown

6 Blue Green Chromis

2 coral banded shrimp

1 cleaner

2 blood shrimp

I guess my main concerns lie with the bellus and black spot angels getting along (both female) and the Kole and Tomini Tangs leaving each other alone. I figure a 300 with a ton of hiding spaces would be sufficient, but given my aquascape complexity and the size of my tank, additions of small fish are somewhat permanent

Thanks in advance!

 

[ChadRaay86]

Steve,

That's what I'm after. I wouldn't put three clowns together, I should have made that clear lol. I'm more concerned about the bellus and the blackspot and the tomini and the kole interaction wise. If its a no go for any of it interaction or reef safe wise, I'll find them new homes like the fowleri (although he is very pretty).

Size wise I'm not sure that's overstocking, the fowleri will be gone before my QT is done and the sailfin is the only really "out of bounds" big fish in there after that. I'm also running 400+ gallons of water volume, have a separate refugium in the works and run a skimmer rated for 500 gallons if that factors in as far as making things more feasible.

Thanks again

 

[snorvich]

Steve,

That's what I'm after. I wouldn't put three clowns together, I should have made that clear lol. I'm more concerned about the bellus and the blackspot and the tomini and the kole interaction wise. If its a no go for any of it interaction or reef safe wise, I'll find them new homes like the fowleri (although he is very pretty).

Size wise I'm not sure that's overstocking, the fowleri will be gone before my QT is done and the sailfin is the only really "out of bounds" big fish in there after that. I'm also running 400+ gallons of water volume, have a separate refugium in the works and run a skimmer rated for 500 gallons if that factors in as far as making things more feasible.

My concerns are primarily interactive behavioral issues since, with a few exceptions, such as puffers, bio-capacity will quickly evolve to match requirements. It is not a water gallonage issue, it is a perceived ecological niche and implied territorial imperative issue. Grazers, especially, but not only, tend to perceive a need for sufficient territory to have access to enough "food". Unfortunately, tangs, angels, etc., as they grow, expand their perceived needs as their size and maturity increases. With marine tropical fish, possession is nine tenths of the law, and once certain fish are established, they will defend that territory, or perceived territory, to the death in many cases. Genicanthus species, most large angelfish, most tangs, etc. fall into this category. You have all of those issues and you do not have a super long tank (gallons is irrelevant to a great degree, tank length is especially relevant) at 72 inches. It is very difficult to predict what established fish will do when conspecifics are introduced. Tangs and angels are the worst. I have tried introducing a second Genicanthus species to an existing 8 foot tank with an established Genicanthus with bad results. If introducing them concurrently the odds increase considerably. However at 72 inches of length your odds are not wonderful.

Thanks again

Previously, you said:

They are:

2" Tomini Tang

3" Long nosed Hawkfish

2 Ocellaris Clowns (1-1.5")

1 2" Female Bellus Angelfish

4 3 year old blue green chromis

I have a 300 gallon 72x36x27 tank that is lightly stocked at the moment and I'm looking at adding the above fish to the mix after a very thorough QT

My current stock list is

3" Sailfin Tang most likely problem

3" Fowleri Tang (He'll be headed to the local aquarium when he gets bigger, but I rescued him for the time being)

2" Kole Tang possible problem

3" Female Blackspot Angel second most likely

2" Starry Blenny

1 Ocellaris Clown

6 Blue Green Chromis

2 coral banded shrimp can take fish

1 cleaner

2 blood shrimp

I guess my main concerns lie with the bellus and black spot angels getting along (both female) and the Kole and Tomini Tangs leaving each other alone. I figure a 300 with a ton of hiding spaces would be sufficient, but given my aquascape complexity and the size of my tank, additions of small fish are somewhat permanent

Thanks in advance!

 

[gabe145]

My tank is cycling very well right now. looking to get some fish soon, then if the levels in the tank are good, some corals. What are some good fish for a tank that just cycled (no damsels). I like clowns and gobies, also the 6 line wrass.

 

[gabe145]

Oh yes and my tank is a 55 gallon tank with 10 gallons in the sump (65 total)

 

[snorvich]

My tank is cycling very well right now. looking to get some fish soon, then if the levels in the tank are good, some corals. What are some good fish for a tank that just cycled (no damsels). I like clowns and gobies, also the 6 line wrass.

As those who follow this thread know, I do not provide recommendations for a variety of reasons. I will be happy to analyze any stocking list, however. A six line wrasse is aggressive and will limit future choices.

 

[Patti7dc]

90G Reef Stocking

90G Reef Stocking

Hello all, I have a pretty peaceful tank right now and I'd like to add a few more choice fish. If they are slightly agressive that's okay because they will be the last fish I add, but I don't want a fish that's going to terrorize my other fish and stress them out (like a damsel). It's a good vibe right now and I want it to stay mellow.

Here's what I have so far:
2 A. Ocellaris
Bicolor Blenny
Purple Firefish
3 Green Chromis
McCosker Wrasse (Juvenile)

And today I bought a Yellow Tang:fun4:. It's pretty small right now, no more than 2 inches, but I know it will more than likely be the boss of the tank. All the other fish get along great and have places to run to if they get scared. That being said, the chromis are almost always swimming all over the tank with the clowns and all the fist seem pretty comfortable. The McCosker Wrasse is a bit shy and comes out more at night. I think this is it's personality but it's only been in the tank a week so it might get bolder as it gets older (and bigger - still very tiny).

I'd like to get a Royal Gramma, a Coral Beauty Angel, and one more fish.... thinking a Melanurus Wrasse. I have heard good things about the Melanurus, that it is an active and visible fish, friendly, and keeps pests in check.

Would adding those three fish (Prob the Angel last) be okay?

Oh btw forgot to mention 90 Gallon tank, 30 Gallon sump, sock filter (with carbon & Chemi-Pure Elite), Protein Skimmer, Fuge with Ulva & Chaeto

today with the new Tang
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[Adamw327]

55g
48" x 15"T x 13"D
60-70 lbs LR (Florida, Fiji, Carribean, 40 # "base rock")
40 lbs "live sand" 20 lbs dry sand
5+ Macro Algaes (some calcium based, some not)
3 Sponges (Not the crazy kind)
2 Hard Shell Clams
5+ Feather Dusters
Limpet
50-60 dwarf Ceriths
15 or so Florida Nassarius
15 or so Ceriths
3 Large Hermits (varied, reef safe)
2-5 Baby Hermits
HOB filter rated for 70g tank
Branching purple, and every shade from red-pink-purple coraline spreading like crazy

I do not have a protein skimmer, i was really hoping to find that i did not need one with so much live filtration, especially the halmidia (sp) growing like weeds. But i am watching my levels, constant low nitrates (< 3 ppm), 0 nitrites or ammonia
Currently:

2 Oc. Clowns

Planned, in order:
Purple Firefish
Yellow headed jawfish


After 10g pod cultivation mastered:
Spotted Mandarin

Then Zoa's. lots of em.

Then Dwarf flame angel

Moving in 2 years, plan on drilling tank and adding 20-30g sump in stand depending on what i can get to fit, in the process. Have apartment now and can not put in dedicated plumbing or electric, so thats the main reason i am waiting, and it will be less to move.

I'd like to know what you think, and if anyone thinks i could get away with adding 2 firefish instead of 1. (one purple, one red)

Also open to any other suggestions, its been very hard to build this list and find fish that match the tank and community requirements.

Only thing i HAVE to have is the Oc. Clowns because i already have them and the Yellow Headed Jawfish, they are just awesome, and i already talked to my LFS about getting one, he said it should take a few months

Not to complicate it, but how do you think my dosing will be? Do you think water changes will add enough calc mag and alk back into the water? I use the expensive reef salt.

Tank is going on 4 months, All tests are perfect, although i have not picked up a Calc, mag, or alk test yet.

 

[snorvich]

Hello all, I have a pretty peaceful tank right now and I'd like to add a few more choice fish. If they are slightly agressive that's okay because they will be the last fish I add, but I don't want a fish that's going to terrorize my other fish and stress them out (like a damsel). It's a good vibe right now and I want it to stay mellow.

Here's what I have so far:
2 A. Ocellaris
Bicolor Blenny
Purple Firefish
3 Green Chromis
McCosker Wrasse (Juvenile)

And today I bought a Yellow Tang:fun4:. It's pretty small right now, no more than 2 inches, but I know it will more than likely be the boss of the tank. All the other fish get along great and have places to run to if they get scared. That being said, the chromis are almost always swimming all over the tank with the clowns and all the fist seem pretty comfortable. The McCosker Wrasse is a bit shy and comes out more at night. I think this is it's personality but it's only been in the tank a week so it might get bolder as it gets older (and bigger - still very tiny).

I'd like to get a Royal Gramma, a Coral Beauty Angel, and one more fish.... thinking a Melanurus Wrasse. I have heard good things about the Melanurus, that it is an active and visible fish, friendly, and keeps pests in check.

Would adding those three fish (Prob the Angel last) be okay?

They should be fine. The tang may not allow adding an angel after it becomes established. Dwarf angels are not necessarily coral safe.

Oh btw forgot to mention 90 Gallon tank, 30 Gallon sump, sock filter (with carbon & Chemi-Pure Elite), Protein Skimmer, Fuge with Ulva & Chaeto

I notice you do not quarantine. "Not using a quarantine tank is like playing Russian roulette. Nobody wins the game, some people just get to play longer than others."

 

[snorvich]

55g
48" x 15"T x 13"D
60-70 lbs LR (Florida, Fiji, Carribean, 40 # "base rock")
40 lbs "live sand" 20 lbs dry sand
5+ Macro Algaes (some calcium based, some not)
3 Sponges (Not the crazy kind)
2 Hard Shell Clams
5+ Feather Dusters
Limpet
50-60 dwarf Ceriths
15 or so Florida Nassarius
15 or so Ceriths
3 Large Hermits (varied, reef safe) hermits will kill snails for their shells. Large hermits are most likely not reef safe
2-5 Baby Hermits
HOB filter rated for 70g tank
Branching purple, and every shade from red-pink-purple coraline spreading like crazy

I do not have a protein skimmer, i was really hoping to find that i did not need one with so much live filtration, especially the halmidia (sp) growing like weeds. But i am watching my levels, constant low nitrates (< 3 ppm), 0 nitrites or ammonia
Currently:

2 Oc. Clowns

Planned, in order:
Purple Firefish
Yellow headed jawfish needs fairly deep sand and is a prolific jumper as is the firefish


After 10g pod cultivation mastered:
Spotted Mandarin success is problematic in this sized tank

Then Zoa's. lots of em.

Then Dwarf flame angel not reef safe

Moving in 2 years, plan on drilling tank and adding 20-30g sump in stand depending on what i can get to fit, in the process. Have apartment now and can not put in dedicated plumbing or electric, so thats the main reason i am waiting, and it will be less to move.

I'd like to know what you think, and if anyone thinks i could get away with adding 2 firefish instead of 1. (one purple, one red)

short term, may work, long term will not

Also open to any other suggestions, its been very hard to build this list and find fish that match the tank and community requirements.

Only thing i HAVE to have is the Oc. Clowns because i already have them and the Yellow Headed Jawfish, they are just awesome, and i already talked to my LFS about getting one, he said it should take a few months

Not to complicate it, but how do you think my dosing will be? Do you think water changes will add enough calc mag and alk back into the water? I use the expensive reef salt.

this thread is only about marine fish compatibility

Tank is going on 4 months, All tests are perfect, although i have not picked up a Calc, mag, or alk test yet.

 

[aileen]

195 72x24x26

6 chromis
3 Bartlett anthias (1 male 2 female)
1 solarensis wrasse
1 blue sided wrasse
2 bangai
1 blue hippo
1 purple tang
1 achilles tang
1 diamond back goby
Pair of false percs

 

[snorvich]

195 72x24x26

6 chromis will reduce their number to one or two
3 Bartlett anthias (1 male 2 female)
1 solarensis wrasse
1 blue sided wrasse
2 bangai must be a male plus female and should be tank raised
1 blue hippo Reef Central recommends an 8 foot tank
1 purple tang
1 achilles tang
1 diamond back goby
Pair of false percs