PLEASE check out your intended fish purchases here first!

[snorvich]

Steve,

Thanks for the detailed response, much appreciated!

DT: 129g + 16g sump = 135g System Volume
Dimensions: 51"x28" (129cm x 70cm)
~120lb live rock (all supplied live, some growth and coralline on there)
Shallow aragonite substrate (2mm+ sized grains white color)
Skimmer is a Red Sea Max C-1800 (tank is Red Sea Max 500)


1] To keep a mixed reed, SPS dominated reef
2] I would like one medium sized school of small fish In this sized tank there is no fish that will school or even shoal. Anthias will aggregate and have social interaction but they must be fed multiple times per day which has its own issues

Oh... I see. That is a little sad. Think I might struggle to keep Anthias, so it looks like I need to shelve this plan. (Back to school for me.. haha).

Would a group of Damsels like the yellow tailed blue damsel interact in a tank this size? i guess that might be an option for me and easier to keep?


3] A pair of clowns, preferably tank bred and mated pair, with a host coal The good news is that getting a pair of clownfish is pretty easy. Just start out with two juveniles of the same species. The bad news is that if they associate with a coral, they may damage it. And the worse news is that you cannot choose what they will want to associate with.

I see. Thanks

4] As peaceful, docile behaviour as possible

The only "must have" is a pair of Ocellaris Clowns (my daughters would be devastated if memo doesn't come to live on the reef!) I understand that, and as I mentioned above you will have to understand the consequences.

After that I'm considering a school of like fish (hopefully 10 like fish) however many chromis you add will slowly wither down to one or at most two.
Sunshine/Olive Chromis
Royal Gramma or Brazilian Grammar
Longfin Cardinalfish will not school; will initially aggregate, then pair off; also note that cardinals are primarily nocturnal and don't do a lot during the day

I see. Don't want to torture the poor fish! Wow... you have saved me a ton of heartache here already. Thanks so much.


1x Dwarf angel (Flame or Potters) not LPS safe
1x Tang (Powder Blue or Chevron) chevron is easier

OK, one Chevron tank. Finally something that should work!

Read lots of people love their Gobies esp. Diamond Goby. That would work for me. Will the diamond goby live with a shrimp and if so which shrimp would I need to get? Mixed reviews on commensal shrimp + gobies as they tend to be messy with sand; the shrimp is alpheus randal

Got it, thanks Steve!

-Droog

Please do not use color or change the color of my responses as I am color blind and especially cannot differentiate red. Bold works well, however. Damsels are pretty aggressive and would not interact with each other in a shoaling manner but they would preclude many other fish going forward.

 

[droog]

Please do not use color or change the color of my responses as I am color blind and especially cannot differentiate red. Bold works well, however. Damsels are pretty aggressive and would not interact with each other in a shoaling manner but they would preclude many other fish going forward.

Steve,

Would a group of Blue Asessors or Rayal Gramma (Fairy Basslet's) work instead of the damsels in this case?

Not a huge fan of the damsels anyway as they are a little agressive. I have a couple of yellow tail damsels in a 5g nano tank with a coral banded shrimp though, and they have learned to get along well over the past 6 months or so.

I was struggling with the interface... trying to make it easier since I see you respond to so many people. Sorry for the confusion!

-Droog

 

[E46Twist]

This thread is different than most on Reef Central in that it is answered only by Reef Central Staff, in this case, me. I am always happy to analyze a stocking list as long as tank size, stocking plan, and maturity is provided, but as those who follow this thread know, I do not provide recommendations for a variety of reasons. The tank size you provided is very unusual; are you sure that it is correctd?

Yep! Custom build 8x2x1!

 

[dukduk]

will my peppermint shrimp attack/kill a sea hare?

2 month old 56 gal, live rock, GFO, carbon, phosguard, bh90 HOB, BB

2 ocelarus, 3 peppermint shrimp, 2 sexy shrimp, 1 green anemone, 1 emerald crab, 2 trochus, 3 margaritas

 

[snorvich]

Steve,

Would a group of Blue Asessors or Rayal Gramma (Fairy Basslet's) work instead of the damsels in this case?

Not a huge fan of the damsels anyway as they are a little agressive. I have a couple of yellow tail damsels in a 5g nano tank with a coral banded shrimp though, and they have learned to get along well over the past 6 months or so.

I was struggling with the interface... trying to make it easier since I see you respond to so many people. Sorry for the confusion!

-Droog

You seem to be looking for fish that will, as a group, play together. In the size of tank you have, that is simply not going to happen. Marine fish do not like each other because of a need for territorial imperative. Anthias, in a large tank, will have a social structure, but they need flow and a large space. Basslets or Assessors will not play together.

 

[snorvich]

Yep! Custom build 8x2x1!

Not ideal for tangs. Small fish will do fine.

 

[snorvich]

will my peppermint shrimp attack/kill a sea hare?

2 month old 56 gal, live rock, GFO, carbon, phosguard, bh90 HOB, BB

2 ocelarus, 3 peppermint shrimp, 2 sexy shrimp, 1 green anemone, 1 emerald crab, 2 trochus, 3 margaritas

This thread is only about marine fish compatibility. Start a thread in the Forum Other Invertebrates

 

[RedStangGA]

Hello, trying to get a handle on stocking a 60 cube. 24x24x24. 20-gal sump and refugium. Planning on 4-inch sand bed to accommodate the jaw fish.

2, and 2 more if possible, pearly jaw fish. I've read conflicting info on pearly's and their willingness to live peacefully together. If they're just going to kill each other I'll stick to 1 or 2.

Christmas Wrasse
or
Adorned Wrasse

Yellow Wrasse

Yellow Watchman Goby

Midas Blenny
or
Tailspot Blenny

Is there room for a peaceful Fairy Wrasse?

 

[snorvich]

Hello, trying to get a handle on stocking a 60 cube. 24x24x24. 20-gal sump and refugium. Planning on 4-inch sand bed to accommodate the jaw fish. best to increase it a bit to 5 inches; also include empty shells and rock rubble for the jawfish to use for structural integrity

2, and 2 more if possible, pearly jaw fish. I've read conflicting info on pearly's and their willingness to live peacefully together. If they're just going to kill each other I'll stick to 1 or 2. it is somewhat of a territorial issue but remember jawfish are prolific jumpers so your tank must be covered with mesh (not egg crate)

Christmas Wrasse
or
Adorned Wrasse preferred

Yellow Wrasse

Yellow Watchman Goby not with jawfish

Midas Blenny
or
Tailspot Blenny p[referred

Is there room for a peaceful Fairy Wrasse?

peaceful yes, but which species are you considering?

 

[aandfsoccr04]

220g (72" x 30" deep x 24" tall) tank with 70 gallon sump

5 Blue/Green Reef Chromis (Chromis viridis)
3 Firefish (Nemateleotris magnifica)
3 Carberryi Anthias (Nemanthias carberryi)
2 Percula Clownfish (Amphiprion percula)
1 Copperband Butterflyfish (Chelmon rostratus)
1 Potter's Angelfish (Centropyge potteri)
1 Flame Angelfish (Centropyge loricula)
1 Lineatus Fairy Wrasse (Cirrhilabrus lineatus)
1 Golden Rhomboidalis Wrasse (Cirrhilabrus rhomboidalis)
1 Eightline Flasher Wrasse (Paracheilinus octotaenia)
1 Chevron Tang (Ctenochaetus hawaiiensis)
1 Powder Brown Tang (Acanthurus japonicus)
1 Purple Tang (Zebrasoma xanthurum)
1 Blue Caribbean Tang (Acanthurus coeruleus)
1 Yellow Tang - Hawaii (Zebrasoma flavescens)
1 Achilles Tang (Acanthurus achilles)

I'll probably add some more random wrasses in there when ones pop up that I like.

Already have:
1 McCosker's Flasher Wrasse (Paracheilinus mccoskeri)
1 Splendid pintail wrasse (Cirrhilabrus cf. lanceolatus)
1 Earl's Fairy Wrasse (Cirrhilabrus earlei)
1 Blue Star Leopard Wrasse (Macropharyngodon bipartitus)
1 Vrolik's Wrasse (Halichoeres chrysotaenia)
1 Cleaner Common Wrasse (Labroides dimidiatus)
1 Yellow Prawn Goby (Cryptocentrus cinctus)
1 Matted Filefish (Acreichthys tomentosus)

 

[snorvich]

220g (72" x 30" deep x 24" tall) tank with 70 gallon sump

5 Blue/Green Reef Chromis (Chromis viridis) chromis in the vast majority of tanks widdle down until there is only one left
3 Firefish (Nemateleotris magnifica) generally, in the long run only one firefish will survive unless two happen to be a bonded pair
3 Carberryi Anthias (Nemanthias carberryi)
2 Percula Clownfish (Amphiprion percula)
1 Copperband Butterflyfish (Chelmon rostratus) australian is best choice but not reef safe
1 Potter's Angelfish (Centropyge potteri)
1 Flame Angelfish (Centropyge loricula)
1 Lineatus Fairy Wrasse (Cirrhilabrus lineatus)
1 Golden Rhomboidalis Wrasse (Cirrhilabrus rhomboidalis)
1 Eightline Flasher Wrasse (Paracheilinus octotaenia) this flasher wrasse is aggressive and with C. earlei, I would not take the risk
1 Chevron Tang (Ctenochaetus hawaiiensis) I definitely would not do this number of tangs in a six foot tank
1 Powder Brown Tang (Acanthurus japonicus)
1 Purple Tang (Zebrasoma xanthurum)
1 Blue Caribbean Tang (Acanthurus coeruleus)
1 Yellow Tang - Hawaii (Zebrasoma flavescens)
1 Achilles Tang (Acanthurus achilles)

I'll probably add some more random wrasses in there when ones pop up that I like.

Already have:
1 McCosker's Flasher Wrasse (Paracheilinus mccoskeri)
1 Splendid pintail wrasse (Cirrhilabrus cf. lanceolatus) aggressive once established
1 Earl's Fairy Wrasse (Cirrhilabrus earlei)
1 Blue Star Leopard Wrasse (Macropharyngodon bipartitus)
1 Vrolik's Wrasse (Halichoeres chrysotaenia)
1 Cleaner Common Wrasse (Labroides dimidiatus)
1 Yellow Prawn Goby (Cryptocentrus cinctus)
1 Matted Filefish (Acreichthys tomentosus)

 

[RedStangGA]

peaceful yes, but which species are you considering?

First, thank you for the reply. I will bump it up to 5" Put's corals an inch closer to the light right lol!

Second, should I avoid goby's altogether with the jaw fish? That's fine if so.

Third, Lubbock's, Exquisite, or Hooded. And if one of those don't fit the bill I'll consider others as well.

Thanks!

 

[snorvich]

First, thank you for the reply. I will bump it up to 5" Put's corals an inch closer to the light right lol!

Second, should I avoid goby's altogether with the jaw fish? That's fine if so. avoid sand dwelling gobies as they can be aggressive towards jawfish

Third, Lubbock's, Exquisite, or Hooded. And if one of those don't fit the bill I'll consider others as well. all are behaviorally similar and should be fine

Thanks!

 

[YME]

46 gallon bowfront

46 gallon bowfront

I have a 46 gallon bow front tank. I will have 60 lbs of live rock and 1-2 inch deep sand bed. No sump and no refugium. My intended fish are:

1 Coral Beauty Angelfish (Centropyge bispinosa)
1 Ocellaris Clownfish (Amphiprion ocellaris)
1 Black & White Ocellaris Clownfish - Tank-Bred (Amphiprion ocellaris var.)
2 Yellow Watchman Gobies (Cryptocentrus cinctus)

Also some snails and maybe a fire shrimp. I think that I may be pushing it with the coral beauty.

Thank for your help.:fish1:

 

[Travish881]

36 gallon bow 2inch sand bed 45lbs LR no sump as of yet but a 10 gallon will be added soon. Not stock yet but wanted to get your opinion in my plan.
2 tank bread ocellaris
1 orange stripe prawn goby
Really want a flame angel but don't think tank size will allow
And was hoping to get a leopard Toby puffer?
Will only be keeping a few corals mainly soft. Thanks

 

[droog]

You seem to be looking for fish that will, as a group, play together. In the size of tank you have, that is simply not going to happen. Marine fish do not like each other because of a need for territorial imperative. Anthias, in a large tank, will have a social structure, but they need flow and a large space. Basslets or Assessors will not play together.

I understand they won't school/shoal/play together. I've given up on that as its not feasible in this tank. Fair enough.

A group of similar individuals will still look nice and provide color and movement in my tank. So now I'm focused on fish that wont reduce quickly to only 1 or 2.

The LFS that is helping me setup the tank recommend 10x half-blue damsels but you point out that would limit future choices, I was hoping to find another species that would be less aggressive once established. The only possibles that I've have found are Basslets or Assessors (fairly basslet, blue assessors being my choice). So my followup question is really only this: would 10 of either of these fish survive long term in my 140g (500L) system?

-Droog

 

[snorvich]

I have a 46 gallon bow front tank. I will have 60 lbs of live rock and 1-2 inch deep sand bed. No sump and no refugium. My intended fish are:

1 Coral Beauty Angelfish (Centropyge bispinosa)
1 Ocellaris Clownfish (Amphiprion ocellaris)
1 Black & White Ocellaris Clownfish - Tank-Bred (Amphiprion ocellaris var.)
2 Yellow Watchman Gobies (Cryptocentrus cinctus) unless this is a bonded pair, they will fight

Also some snails and maybe a fire shrimp. I think that I may be pushing it with the coral beauty. correct. But at least you have no other algae grazers

Thank for your help.:fish1:

 

[snorvich]

I understand they won't school/shoal/play together. I've given up on that as its not feasible in this tank. Fair enough.

A group of similar individuals will still look nice and provide color and movement in my tank. So now I'm focused on fish that wont reduce quickly to only 1 or 2.

The LFS that is helping me setup the tank recommend 10x half-blue damsels but you point out that would limit future choices, I was hoping to find another species that would be less aggressive once established. The only possibles that I've have found are Basslets or Assessors (fairly basslet, blue assessors being my choice). So my followup question is really only this: would 10 of either of these fish survive long term in my 140g (500L) system?

-Droog

nfortunately, no.

 

[snorvich]

36 gallon bow 2inch sand bed 45lbs LR no sump as of yet but a 10 gallon will be added soon. Not stock yet but wanted to get your opinion in my plan.
2 tank bread ocellaris
1 orange stripe prawn goby
Really want a flame angel but don't think tank size will allow that will not work
And was hoping to get a leopard Toby puffer? not invertebrate safe
Will only be keeping a few corals mainly soft. Thanks

 

[Red Stick]

Current tank is a 40 breeder, no sump, hang on skimmer aquaclear hang on filter. There's around 75 lbs of live rock and a 1 -2" sand bed in the tank.

Current inhabitants are a pair of percula clowns, coral beauty (I know), a single green chromis, and an orchid dottyback. Tank also contains some lps and softies as well as a fire shrimp, some hermits and snails.

I'm wondering how many more fish can be added safely? I'm thinking one more would probly be about it. I almost purchased a diamond goby a while back but decided against it.
Would a manderin do well in this tank? The tank has been running for 6 months and before that everything was in a 42 hex for over a year. I see lots of pods on the glass. Also would a six line be a good choice? Any other recommendations are welcome. Thanks