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[snorvich]

I have 2 yellow, Desjardins, ebbli tangs, wrasse, midas blenny, chromis, clam with a mixed reef tank with reef safe shrimp, hermit crabs and various types of corals.

I want to add 2 small/medium paired Maroon Clowns and bubble tip anemone.

I have read that they can be aggressive but not always.

Once bonded and mating, Maroon Clowns will be a terror. If you would like a demonstration, stick your hand in the tank. :hmm5:

 

[rldcpa]

So they are pure evil? I have a 6 foot 245 gallon and was thinking of putting the anemone on one side of the tank so they can't terrorize the whole tank.


How will they get along with the tangs?

 

[snorvich]

So they are pure evil? I have a 6 foot 245 gallon and was thinking of putting the anemone on one side of the tank so they can't terrorize the whole tank.


How will they get along with the tangs?

The distance a clownfish will leave its host anemone is directly proportional to its size. Maroon clownfish will want to control about 50 gallons of tank space. I cannot say they are "pure evil", if I had a 50 gallon tank, they would make a gorgeous species tank.

Since tangs are in a completely different ecological niche, they will not terrorize them, but will keep any fish (and you) out of their space. In the long run, your tangs will be problematical in a six foot tank but unrelated to the clownfish.

 

[rldcpa]

The tangs are a over a year old and are 3-4 inches now and they are happy and always hungry and eat very well. They are still small enough to go in and out of rocks.

 

[rldcpa]

Is it better to get unmated pairs but introduce them together?

 

[cherubfish pair]

Dwarf angels do not require sponge in their diet; they may eat angel formula or similar but it is not necessary. They do require "greens" either from the tank or supplied via nori

How often should they be fed these "greens"? I have put nori on a clip in my tank before, didn't ever see any fish eat it but it always disappeared overnight. I thought maybe it just dissolved into the water, does this happen?

 

[snorvich]

Is it better to get unmated pairs but introduce them together?

Yes. Two juveniles is ideal.

 

[snorvich]

How often should they be fed these "greens"? I have put nori on a clip in my tank before, didn't ever see any fish eat it but it always disappeared overnight. I thought maybe it just dissolved into the water, does this happen?

In small tanks, algae grazers need nori or a food that is vegetable based.

 

[Amphiprotic]

No dottybacks, sorry.

Liveaquaria says that one is peaceful? Here's another list then:

Fish:

• 1 Ocellaris Clownfish (Amphiprion ocellaris)
• 1 Kaudern's Cardinal - Tank-Bred (Pterapogon kauderni)
• 1 Midas Blenny (Ecsenius midas)
• 1 McCosker's Flasher Wrasse (Paracheilinus mccoskeri)
• 1 Royal Gramma Basslet (Gramma loreto)

 

[snorvich]

Liveaquaria says that one is peaceful? Here's another list then:

Fish:

• 1 Ocellaris Clownfish (Amphiprion ocellaris)
• 1 Kaudern's Cardinal - Tank-Bred (Pterapogon kauderni)
• 1 Midas Blenny (Ecsenius midas)
• 1 McCosker's Flasher Wrasse (Paracheilinus mccoskeri)
• 1 Royal Gramma Basslet (Gramma loreto)

This list is fine. The most peaceful dottyback is P. fridmani but you have a flasher wrasse and basslet which, especially in a small tank, would be problematic

 

[Amphiprotic]

Alright thanks. And is it invert safe? i can add a shrimp or two?

 

[snorvich]

Alright thanks. And is it invert safe? i can add a shrimp or two?

Absolutely. No issues.

 

[Despairodyne]

Hi Steve, this is my plan as of now.

120 gallon display, 50 gallon sump, 30 gallon refugium. 200 lbs Live rock
and a big skimmer.

I think it might be too many fish but I'll be paring it down if it starts
to look crowded.

Siganus unimaculatus (One Spot Foxface)
Ctenochaetus tominiensis (Bristletooth Tomini Tang)

[If feeding enough vegetables will keep them both happy, otherwise
substitute another flasher/fairy wrasse TBD]

Wetmorella tanakai (Pygmy Wrasse)
Gobiodon okinawae (Yellow Clown Goby) x 2
Paracheilinus mccoskeri (McCosker's Flasher Wrasse)

Ecsenius midas (Midas Blenny)
Gramma loreto (Royal Gramma)
Fowleria flammea (Red Stop Light Cardinal Fish)

Nemanthias carberryi (Carberryi Anthias) x 3
[After 9 months perhaps]

Synchiropus splendidus (Red Mandarin)
[after a year]

Diademichthys lineatus (Yellow Stripe Clingfish)
[When and if I think I can be successful]


Skunk Cleaner Shrimp x 1
Fire Shrimp x 2
Peppermint Shrimp x 2
Fighting Conch
Appropriate snails

MY original plan had a pair of Snowflake clowns but I'm giving them their
own 30 gallon tank instead.

Thanks in advance.

 

[snorvich]

Hi Steve, this is my plan as of now.

120 gallon display, 50 gallon sump, 30 gallon refugium. 200 lbs Live rock
and a big skimmer.

I think it might be too many fish but I'll be paring it down if it starts
to look crowded.

I will note any issues below

Siganus unimaculatus (One Spot Foxface)
Ctenochaetus tominiensis (Bristletooth Tomini Tang)

[If feeding enough vegetables will keep them both happy, otherwise when the tank is mature, both should be fine, but do not introduce early
substitute another flasher/fairy wrasse TBD]

Wetmorella tanakai (Pygmy Wrasse)
Gobiodon okinawae (Yellow Clown Goby) x 2 in general they do not do well together, but your tank may be large enough
Paracheilinus mccoskeri (McCosker's Flasher Wrasse) needs a mesh top (1/4 inch)

Ecsenius midas (Midas Blenny)
Gramma loreto (Royal Gramma)
Fowleria flammea (Red Stop Light Cardinal Fish)

Nemanthias carberryi (Carberryi Anthias) x 3 needs multiple feedings per day
[After 9 months perhaps]

Synchiropus splendidus (Red Mandarin)
[after a year]

Diademichthys lineatus (Yellow Stripe Clingfish)
[When and if I think I can be successful] your odds of success are poor


Skunk Cleaner Shrimp x 1
Fire Shrimp x 2
Peppermint Shrimp x 2
Fighting Conch
Appropriate snails

MY original plan had a pair of Snowflake clowns but I'm giving them their
own 30 gallon tank instead.

Thanks in advance.

 

[Fishfins]

Please can you have a look at my updated intended fish list?

120 US gallon 5' tank with sump and refugium. I plan to introduce these fish slowly in something like the order shown below, obviously I'm aware of the feeding issues with the mandarins and CBB! Eventual plans for the tank is a PEACEFUL reef tank!

1 purple firefish
1 royal gramma
1 tailspot blenny
1 Chromis - you said before about disease issues, not sure if this applies to the UK too?
Pair of flasher wrasse
Pair of perc. clownfish
1 midas blenny - unsure about this with the other fish I'm thinking of
1 one spot fox face - I'm a bit unsure about this one, worried about potential aggression/ eating corals
Pair of mandarins
1 Copperband butterfly
1 female wantanabei angel
1 yellow eye kole tang

Many thanks for your help, it's much appreciated!

 

[Despairodyne]

Thanks for your comments. There will be a 1/4 inch mesh top and I can
feed the fish on whatever schedule is appropriate. I had come up with
a second list:

Salarias fasciatus
Cirrhilabrus lubbocki
Wetmorella tanakai
Gobiodon okinawae
Paracheilinus mccoskeri
Ecsenius midas
Fowleria flammea
Synchiropus splendidus (after 1 year)
Nemanthias carberryi x 4 - 5 (after 9 months)

If that is not too many Anthias, should I split the tank transfer among 2 sets of 20 gallon tanks? Also, after the tank transfer method is complete, would it be best to house them in the same tank for the rest of the quarantine period?

Lastly, might the Anthias out compete the Mandarin for copepods?

Thanks again for your consideration.

 

[snorvich]

Please can you have a look at my updated intended fish list?

120 US gallon 5' tank with sump and refugium. I plan to introduce these fish slowly in something like the order shown below, obviously I'm aware of the feeding issues with the mandarins and CBB! Eventual plans for the tank is a PEACEFUL reef tank!

1 purple firefish introduce early
1 royal gramma
1 tailspot blenny
1 Chromis - you said before about disease issues, not sure if this applies to the UK too? yes, unfortunately
Pair of flasher wrasse may intimidate your firefish and must have 1/4 inch mesh top
Pair of perc. clownfish
1 midas blenny - unsure about this with the other fish I'm thinking of they can nip fins of planktivores
1 one spot fox face - I'm a bit unsure about this one, worried about potential aggression/ eating corals if well fed, are not a problem, but if not, they can go after corals because of the zooxanthellae
Pair of mandarins after 9 months
1 Copperband butterfly copepod competitor for mandarins, I suggest only a single rather than a pair of mandarins
1 female wantanabei angel
1 yellow eye kole tang

Many thanks for your help, it's much appreciated!

fine, except as noted

 

[snorvich]

Thanks for your comments. There will be a 1/4 inch mesh top and I can
feed the fish on whatever schedule is appropriate. I had come up with
a second list:

Salarias fasciatus
Cirrhilabrus lubbocki
Wetmorella tanakai
Gobiodon okinawae
Paracheilinus mccoskeri
Ecsenius midas may nip fins of planktivores
Fowleria flammea
Synchiropus splendidus (after 1 year)
Nemanthias carberryi x 4 - 5 (after 9 months)

If that is not too many Anthias, should I split the tank transfer among 2 sets of 20 gallon tanks? Also, after the tank transfer method is complete, would it be best to house them in the same tank for the rest of the quarantine period?

Lastly, might the Anthias out compete the Mandarin for copepods? no, but anthias do best with multiple feedings per day

Thanks again for your consideration.

 

[davethej]

looking to add

looking to add

I have a 120 with live rock, leathers, mushrooms, Kenya trees and skimmer but no sump.

Current fish:
Hippo tang
Tomini tang
Clown 2x
Blue damsel 3x
Green mandarin

Want to add:
Yellow tang
Flame angel
Fire fish 3x, or 1x and a royal gamma (something small brightly colored)

Your thoughts are appreciated, thanks.

 

[snorvich]

I have a 120 with live rock, leathers, mushrooms, Kenya trees and skimmer but no sump.

Current fish:
Hippo tang needs a much larger (longer) tank
Tomini tang
Clown 2x species?
Blue damsel 3x will limit tank mates going forward
Green mandarin

Want to add:
Yellow tang two tangs in your current tank are about all you can have
Flame angel I am concerned about the damsels
Fire fish 3x, or 1x one firefish is fine

and a royal gamma (something small brightly colored) fine

Your thoughts are appreciated, thanks.