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Thanks for the input. Would the best strategy be to get the bubble tip anemones early, before the corals, and then let them pick their spots in the tank?

in a perfect senerio yes--but your tank will not have fully established itself for about six months. In other words consistent tank parameters for salinity, alk, ca, mag, and pH.
Anemones require this kind of conistent parameters so it is best to put your coral in first in your case
 
i intend to have a 1.5 inch yellow a small blonde naso and a small lion fish i have had this combo in my 125 is there any thing wrong i will have live rock corals inverts ect in a 55 with 10 to 20g sump

yes, there is no such thing as a "small" blond naso tang--that's a 22 inch fish at maturity:eek1::D

Yellows, tomini tangs, powder blues, are all on the smaller side at adult(8-9 inches)
 
Tank Ideas

Tank Ideas

Here's what I have in mind. 75g, live rock (how much?), live sand 1"-2" & 3 fish.
Equipment, Eheim 2217 canister filter, WM H2 skimmer, power heads (how many?), T5 4 bulb 48" & heater.

My questions are what fish to add. The 1 fish I have to have is a lion fish (volitan juv. 2"-3"), beyond that I am still trying to figure it out. Here's my list to pick 2 from. Keep in mind some of these will eventually move from my office to my house which will be 150+, probably end of this year or next at the latest, so size isn't a huge deal but still a concern.

Tangs
Atlantic Blue, Tomini, Kole, Yellow, Powder Blue, Achilles, Chevron, Yellow Mimic or Purple

Angels
Bi-Color, lemonpeel, venustus, Blueline, Scribbled or Majestic

Which of these fish can I not put with the others & which will make good roommates? Keep in mind all will be purchased around 3"-4".

Thanks
Shane
 
I would like to share the fish im thinking of getting and im just trowing some things out there im intrested in. Please share if you have any suggestions on what you think I should get. The tank is 37 gallons and has been set up about 4 months has acans, xenia, kenya trees, star polyps, frogspawn, ect. under T5 lights. I have two small false perc clowns and a pepperment shrimp. The tank has a glass lid that leaves a 6in gap in the front. Im thinking of getting a Midas Blenny or Bicolored Blenny. I like the look of the Midas but have alot of alage from the T5s and would like the Bicolored because they eat alage. Thats the only fish I would like to have in my tank next, im open to just about everything else. I like the looks of the Barred Dart fish, Clown Goby (but not sure if he will get along with Blenny), Jawfish ect.

Thanks for all the help - Robby
 
i intend to have a 1.5 inch yellow a small blonde naso and a small lion fish i have had this combo in my 125 is there any thing wrong i will have live rock corals inverts ect in a 55 with 10 to 20g sump

Yes, the naso will grow far too large, and the lion fish will eat and potentially choke on anything it can put in its mouth.
 
This is a long post but please give me feedback on this general plan for my newly setup tank - hardward, fish, inverts, coral, I'll take any advice! I have a 110 gal tank, 2x250MH w/ 4x54actinic lighting, ~70 gal sump, Octopus Extreme 200 skimmer, with currently minimal flow"¦about 800 gph. I plan to add powerheads (either Koralias with a wavemaker or if I find the $ a vortech) to up the flow to ~2000gph. I also plan to add a 20 gal refugium w/ RDSB & chaetomorpha in the near future. The tank includes cured liverock taken from existing tanks (~150 lbs in DT and sump) and came with 1 ~10" blue tang as its only resident. I haven't added substrate yet, but plan on ~1 inch coarse aragonite because I don't like the bare bottom look.

My overall goal is a lush and diverse ecosystem that is visually attractive and includes lots of interesting invertebrates. I am not so much motivated by keeping specific taxa (ie being difficult or rare doesn't appeal to me) as by overall aesthetics of the tank and how critters fit into my simulated ecosystem. That said, I do want giant clams so it will be a relatively high flow and high light tank. Here are my still rough plans.

Inverts non-coral:
Clean up crew to add in first 2 weeks: Astraea snails (~20), 2 turbo snails, 15 Nerita snails, 14 hermit crabs (8 blue leg, 4 scarlet reef hermit, 2 blue knuckle)
Then I'll add from this list in order about every 1-2 weeks:
2 Brittle stars "“ Ghardaqa brittle star (Fromia ghardaqana) & Red Serpent Star
Cleaner shrimp (1 or 2)
Peppermint shrimp (1 or 2)
1 Pincushion urchin
Fan worms - I really like the look of fan worms, but understand that feather dusters aren't a great choice so please suggest substitutes
Pistol shrimp as goby symbiont (okay with minimal sand?)
1 Crab "“ Arrow crab or Emerald crab (especially if bubble alagae appears)
Maybe 1 Linckia multifora (spotted starfish) or Astropecten
1 interesting mollusk - a chiton (might grow too large?) or abalone
Final addition at 6-12 months if tank is stable: 2 of the smaller Tridacna (T. squamosa and T. crocea)

Please suggest: good tunicates, nudibranchs, sponges, if any. I also need sand shifters for my RDSB and my shallow 1" DT sandbed "“ a small cucumber and brittle stars? How about just a goby and brittlestar for the display tank?

Fish (no more than 44 inches adult size):
Current: 1 adult blue tang (~10 inches). My tank came with this fish, which is gorgeous but I feel a little large for my setup. I'd like to keep it, but could be persuaded to trade to LFS. Overall, I think that I'm proposing a fish load that is a little on the high end, especially because of this tang.

I want to add (probably in the order of this list from top to bottom spacing 1-2 weeks per line):
1 Pseudochromis fridmani (3") and 1 Banggai Cardinalfish (3")
2 Ocellaris clownfish (3.5" each) once potential coral hosts established (frogspawn or torch coral?)
1 "œeyecandy" blenny (bicolor, midas or starry) (6"), OR 2-3 smaller colorful gobies (catalina, yellow clown, etc)
1 Watchman Goby for pistol shrimp (6")
1 algae blenny (5") "“ maybe not if there isn't much microalgae growing
3small, colorful "œschooling" fish that will swim in the open "“carpenter's wrasses (3") or royal gramma "“ any other suggestions besides Chromis, which I don't fancy?
1 large "œeye candy" fish with yellow color and a pointy snout. Hopefully just a bit smaller than the blue tang "“ is there a good butterfly fish compatible with reef inverts such as yellow longnose or copper banded?, or perhaps a yellow tang, or a foxface rabbitfish?

Other fish I like but wouldn't add in without removing from the above list:
6 line wrasse
Mandarin dragonet "¦ so pretty but only if tank matures nicely in a year or so!
Finally, I think that I know that the answer is NO, NO, NO but are there any pufferfish or seahorses that would work in this mixed community setup, my girlfriend really likes them...?

Corals:
I'm least sure what I'm doing here, especially when it comes to how corals interact with one another and I don't yet have enough experience for many of these. But I want to plan my fauna so that I don't add some easier coral early on that conflicts with something I'll covet later. I'm looking for a mix of textures, sizes and colors for nice aquascaping rather than very specific show pieces so my list is arranged by "œstyle" not taxa. I envision a relatively high flow tank with lush growth of corals and I have a calcium reactor that I plan to add to my listed setup.

I definitely want 2 or 3 anemone-like corals with large tentacles that might host clownfish "“ frogspawn, torch like coral (sweeper tentacles too long?), or toadstool mushroom (but allelochemicals and they might get too large)
Many different "œbackground/mound-forming" corals to color rock "“ different patches of mushroom anemones, Favia & zooanthids, Trachyphyllia brain coral

A few patches of "œmoving corals" that will sway in the current or pulse their tentacles: Xenia & starburst polyps

A couple of plate forming corals that will protrude out from a steep rock wall: Turbinaria & Montipora

Branching corals: Pocillopora? Just something with an Acropora-like look to it

1. A puffer won't work. They're all a gamble. They nip fins, corals, eat inverts. My girlfriend likes both of them as well, but they just won't work.

2. A seahorse won't work. There's a reason they're called the AIDS patients of the sea. They need cooler temperatures, less flow, non-competitive tank mates, and corals that don't sting.

3. Pick *one* blenny. Two will fight, stress each other, and you'll eventually only have one anyways. And keep in mind, depending on your blenny, you might get a coral/clam nipper. Stay away from the Midas. They're the nastiest blenny I've seen, and the only blenny I've seen eat still living fish.

4. I've had roughly six species of euphyllia (frog spawn) over the past 2+ years that I've had clowns host in. They provide a great hosting alternative to anemones, which I personally do not keep due to their risks.

5. Keep in mind foxfaces are poisonous.

6. I've got a Copperband Butterfly- tricky fish to get eat initially (please see the primer in the Reef Fishes forum), but an absolute stunner. Big, different, beautiful.

7. Catalina gobies are cool water species, and will die in weeks to months at temperatures above 68 or so.

8. Clams suck out calcium. Literally, suck a lot of calcium. Be ready to dose to keep levels up, or pick a smaller crocea.

9. Don't get a crab. Not worth the risk. It really isn't.

10. Want something different? Check out gorgonians. Neat additions.

You're on the right track, keep planning and asking questions...
 
12 gallon nano dx,
1 neon goby
black sea urchin
random shrimp from the beach
and crabs that came on the live rock(possibly a emerald and a sally lightfoot- but to tiny to be sure)

- What i want: a eyelash algea eater( lawnmower blenny)
thanks for the tips
 
I would like to share the fish im thinking of getting and im just trowing some things out there im intrested in. Please share if you have any suggestions on what you think I should get. The tank is 37 gallons and has been set up about 4 months has acans, xenia, kenya trees, star polyps, frogspawn, ect. under T5 lights. I have two small false perc clowns and a pepperment shrimp. The tank has a glass lid that leaves a 6in gap in the front. Im thinking of getting a Midas Blenny or Bicolored Blenny. I like the look of the Midas but have alot of alage from the T5s and would like the Bicolored because they eat alage. Thats the only fish I would like to have in my tank next, im open to just about everything else. I like the looks of the Barred Dart fish, Clown Goby (but not sure if he will get along with Blenny), Jawfish ect.

Thanks for all the help - Robby

Jawfish and dartfish are jumpers. Blue Spot Jaws are expensive and are dying at high rates from a yet to be identified condition. Clown gobies are cute, but can irritate coral. Worth the gamble for most. Midas Blennies get big and mean. I'd put any blenny you get as one of the last fish in your tank.
 
cmdspd,
Just a few notes, since you have such a detailed and specific set of questions:
1. blennies: I love them too. I tried an algae eating blenny and was very sad when it died from starvation in a few weeks. I was feeding it Rod's "green" forumula and spirulina, but it wouldn't take any of it. I didn't have enough algae on the rocks. So, if you don't eiether, save the pain.
I replaced the Salarias with a "tailspot blenny," Ecsenius stigmatura. This animals is great. He eats Rod's food and spirulina, is always looking well fed, has great personality and is beautiful. He nipped a montipora (Sunset Tyree of all things) but didn't really damage it and has stopped that behavior. He gets along with various small gobies and a larger wrasse and chromis with no problems. I have to recommend that one.
3. Sixline: never had this one but I understand many are sorry they add these. I personally am holding out for a pair of Pink streaked wrasses, which are more or less in that group (of lined wrasse), but much more amenable to other fish.
4. Finally, I have to +1 against the crabs. I tried an emerald to help control a Lobophora (algae) outbreak and it didn't help at all. It got large very fast and started lunging at fish. That's when I took him out of the tank. He's waiting to return to LFS now in QT. I do have a Sally Lightfoot crab, also purchased for Lobophora control, who actually seems to do some algae eating. I bought the smallest in the store and it's already molted 3 times (in 3 months) and so is larger now. It has not threatened any of my other animals ...yet! I hear they change as they mature and become little terrors. I'm reserving judgement and holding my breath on that one to see if it can get rid of the Lobo. In general, crabs are a pain. I originally added some hermits, but they were removed and rehomed too after awhile (they kill each other and the snails and bother corals).
 
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Here's what I have in mind. 75g, live rock (how much?), live sand 1"-2" & 3 fish.
Equipment, Eheim 2217 canister filter, WM H2 skimmer, power heads (how many?), T5 4 bulb 48" & heater.

My questions are what fish to add. The 1 fish I have to have is a lion fish (volitan juv. 2"-3"), beyond that I am still trying to figure it out. Here's my list to pick 2 from. Keep in mind some of these will eventually move from my office to my house which will be 150+, probably end of this year or next at the latest, so size isn't a huge deal but still a concern.

Tangs
Atlantic Blue, Tomini, Kole, Yellow, Powder Blue, Achilles, Chevron, Yellow Mimic or Purple

Angels
Bi-Color, lemonpeel, venustus, Blueline, Scribbled or Majestic

Which of these fish can I not put with the others & which will make good roommates? Keep in mind all will be purchased around 3"-4".

Thanks
Shane

Lionfish is a really bad idea with any non-aggressive fish. They will quite literally eat any fish they can fit in their mouth. In a 75g, pick one tang; most people will tell you that's even too small. With a lion in there as well, I'd agree that it's definitely out of the question. Achilles tangs are difficult fish, not a fish to start with. Pick a smaller acanthurus species. Kole, Lavender, etc. A lot of the angels you listed are just too big as well. Pick a centropyge species and go with it (Dwarf, Flame, Rusty, Eibli, Multicolor, etc.).
 
cmdspd,
By the way, as for feather dusters or tubeworms, I didn't add any intentionally and have many (from the live rock). Some are the larger types, like this photo:
20091113_Rightside.jpg

Others are the calcareous tube makers with red fans. Lots of those suddenly appeared after about six months in my tank. Note that, in that picture, the Tyree Sunset Montipora is showing results of the Tailspot blenny (also shown) munching it; it is recovered now.

I added stony corals fairly soon after the three month mark and even Acropora did pretty well. The ones that did best are the "easier" types such as Acropora "Bali green slimer" and the Seriatopora (birds nest coral) group. My tank is now 9 mo's old and I still have trouble with Acropora valida and A. granulosa. I think you would be fine with some encrusting types such as Montiporas or chalices after 3 months (did fine for me).

Take care with mixing leather corals with stony corals; as you say, they perform chemical warfare. I would keep their numbers low and place them so the current takes their products away from the stony corals if you can. Use carbon in the sump too to help with getting rid of the allelochemicals. My tank runs quite low in nutrients and I've had trouble with keeping thriving soft corals that are supposed to be the easiest. They have just started (9 months in) to look better (Clavularia, Stereonepthya) recently.
 
cmdspd,
Just a few notes, since you have such a detailed and specific set of questions:
1. blennies: I love them too. I tried an algae eating blenny and was very sad when it died from starvation in a few weeks. I was feeding it Rod's "green" forumula and spirulina, but it wouldn't take any of it. I didn't have enough algae on the rocks. So, if you don't eiether, save the pain.
I replaced the Salarias with a "tailspot blenny," Ecsenius stigmatura. This animals is great. He eats Rod's food and spirulina, is always looking well fed, has great personality and is beautiful. He nipped a montipora (Sunset Tyree of all things) but didn't really damage it and has stopped that behavior. He gets along with various small gobies and a larger wrasse and chromis with no problems. I have to recommend that one.
3. Sixline: never had this one but I understand many are sorry they add these. I personally am holding out for a pair of Pink streaked wrasses, which are more or less in that group (of lined wrasse), but much more amenable to other fish.
4. Finally, I have to +1 against the crabs. I tried an emerald to help control a Lobophora (algae) outbreak and it didn't help at all. It got large very fast and started lunging at fish. That's when I took him out of the tank. He's waiting to return to LFS now in QT. I do have a Sally Lightfoot crab, also purchased for Lobophora control, who actually seems to do some algae eating. I bought the smallest in the store and it's already molted 3 times (in 3 months) and so is larger now. It has not threatened any of my other animals ...yet! I hear they change as they mature and become little terrors. I'm reserving judgement and holding my breath on that one to see if it can get rid of the Lobo. In general, crabs are a pain. I originally added some hermits, but they were removed and rehomed too after awhile (they kill each other and the snails and bother corals).

+1 "Nothing with hands in my tank"
+1 Tailspot blenny- small blenny, peaceful, the best blenny pick in my opinion.
 
I posted in this thread earlier and ended up getting a six line + flame hawkfish for my 20g cube.
It started out great. The wrasse would gently pick at the hawk every now and then and the hawk would just "œjump" away. No big deal and no damage seen on the hawk.
After some days the hawk started getting more suspicious and when the wrasse was sneaking up on him he would either bounce off or turn around and face him (then the wrasse would just swim away after a while)
The last few days it seems like the hawk has had enough though: If the wrasse is even remotely close to him (that happens a lot in a 20g :S ) he will chase him away. Already there are quite large cuts on the wrasses tail. He now stays way on top in my tank close to the overflow and the hawk controls all the LR in the centre of the tank.

I've already posted on my local forums that I'm giving away my wrasse. There is not many reefers around where I live and no LFS, so I fear I wont get rid of him before the hawk kills him :/ (There is no way I'm getting rid of the hawk "“ coolest fish I've ever seen. If he will end up being my only fish, then so be it :D )

Do you think the hawk is just "œpaying back" since the wrasse was picking on him earlier? Do you think he will stop once they both know he is "œboss"?

The wrasse is about 2 inches and the flame is 2.5. I've only had the fish for one week. I bought them from another reefer who was getting a new tank. They both did fine when he had them, but that was in a much larger tank.
 
I am somewhat surprised to hear that Paal and sorry for your situation. I was very sure that the scenario would be the reverse, even when I was reading your post I was expecting to see it end differently.

I have had fish picked on and eventually work it out in my system. Fins cut up, etc, etc... Maybe it's not ethical, but I just let them work it out and in time it went away... In your situation, maybe that's not a good idea, but I would definitely be curious if a balance can be established between them.

If I were to guess, a 20gal is enough space for those two fish to find a balance. The Hawk being boss is kind of a best-case IMO because he is less active and therefore the wrasse will just stay away from him, in time...

Best of luck.
 
What's next??

What's next??

I have a 90 gal tank with about 90 lbs LR and a 25-30 gallon sump (actual water volume)

Currently I have 2 Black oc. Clowns, a Lawnmower Blenny and a Six Line Wrasse. For Coral I have Kenya Tree, Xenia, Candy cane, Red Zoas, green Star Polyps (All bought as Frags) and a sebae anemone.

So I am going to the Fish store this weekend - What should i add next?

Thanks

Russ
 
I posted in this thread earlier and ended up getting a six line + flame hawkfish for my 20g cube.
It started out great. The wrasse would gently pick at the hawk every now and then and the hawk would just "œjump" away. No big deal and no damage seen on the hawk.
After some days the hawk started getting more suspicious and when the wrasse was sneaking up on him he would either bounce off or turn around and face him (then the wrasse would just swim away after a while)
The last few days it seems like the hawk has had enough though: If the wrasse is even remotely close to him (that happens a lot in a 20g :S ) he will chase him away. Already there are quite large cuts on the wrasses tail. He now stays way on top in my tank close to the overflow and the hawk controls all the LR in the centre of the tank.

I've already posted on my local forums that I'm giving away my wrasse. There is not many reefers around where I live and no LFS, so I fear I wont get rid of him before the hawk kills him :/ (There is no way I'm getting rid of the hawk "“ coolest fish I've ever seen. If he will end up being my only fish, then so be it :D )

Do you think the hawk is just "œpaying back" since the wrasse was picking on him earlier? Do you think he will stop once they both know he is "œboss"?

The wrasse is about 2 inches and the flame is 2.5. I've only had the fish for one week. I bought them from another reefer who was getting a new tank. They both did fine when he had them, but that was in a much larger tank.


Both of those species are known for having nasty dispositions. Put them both in a small tank and you've got trouble.
 
I have a 90 gal tank with about 90 lbs LR and a 25-30 gallon sump (actual water volume)

Currently I have 2 Black oc. Clowns, a Lawnmower Blenny and a Six Line Wrasse. For Coral I have Kenya Tree, Xenia, Candy cane, Red Zoas, green Star Polyps (All bought as Frags) and a sebae anemone.

So I am going to the Fish store this weekend - What should i add next?

Thanks

Russ

Give us some options of fish you are considering... lots of possibilities here.
 
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