pookstreet
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Leo, you ARE old. Almost as old as me :beer:
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Leo, you ARE old. Almost as old as me :beer:
pookstreet
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Brian, I kinda glanced through the article real fast but couldn't figure out where it talks about the phosphate contents. Or is that info in a different article?
I know I am late to the party, but I am 90% mysis guy. I break off a chuck, place it in RODI water to let it defrost and the rinse it is a net and then into the tank. I used to make a special formula, but not really sure about it's effectiveness in hind sight. I feed a new pellet called aquathrive once a week and then the arctipods and oysterfeast twice a week. It may be a bit much, but I like the fact that most of my fish swim in and out of the net now.
It should be listed in the tables where they have all the other compound and element that where tested.
pookstreet
Registered Stick Killer
Wow, mysis is your staple? What sizes do you feed? Because I have fish that are small to pretty big, I have to feed different sized foods. I swear the imperator is a big hulking dumbarse. If there were 2 pieces of large mysis in front of him, he would look from one to the other and couldn't decide which one to swallow, until the other fish come by and eat them both. Then he looks at me and says "what did you do that?" :lol:
pookstreet
Registered Stick Killer
Yeah, I saw that phosphorus was listed but wasn't sure how to interpret the numbers. What exactly does "percent of the sample" mean? I read a lot of lab reports but still can't really figure out what the units are :hammer:
pookstreet
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I feed primarily PE mysis. All of my fish have learned to eat it from my wrasses, jocs, anthias and cardinals
What exactly is PE Mysis? Who makes it? I've never seen it in stores so don't know what it looks like. The problem is that if they are too small, it takes the emp too long to eat and he won't get enough cuz he's just too slow and stupid.
Goodwin9
Premium Member
Here is where I get it from; http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+7927+8038+19763&pcatid=19763
It is much larger than Hikari Mysis Shrimp.
The "percent of the sample" is the value above what was found in seawater. For Phosphorus there was .0012 ppm found in seawater. Every all the other phosphorus value found in the food is that percent above the seawater value.
The most important part of the study is to look at the difference in the numbers compared to each other. Ronald state in the article:
"Many of the these materials are found in the foods concentrated many thousands of times over their concentration in seawater. The values for phosphorus are the best example of this. Such high concentrations in foods are often normal and necessary. For example, phosphorus is found in all organisms as a component of proteins and the energy transfer systems. However, the high concentrations of phosphorus in proteinaceous foods means that over very short periods of time, an aquarist who is feeding regularly and heavily may add very significant amounts of this element to their systems."
The whole idea of bring up this article was to show that there are more effective way to lower phosphates in our system. While there are phosphates in Ca RX effluent, it is small compared to other elements that we have control of that we add to our systems.
stunreefer
Reef Hugger
P.E. (Piscine Energetics) Mysis is the bomb dizzle... it's Mysis on steroids - really big, nutritious and delicious: http://www.mysis.com/
EDIT: Dan beat me to it
EDIT: Dan beat me to it
I think we know what Austin puts on his sushi rolls :lol2:
pookstreet
Registered Stick Killer
Thanks for the links, guys. I currently feed Hikari regular and jumbo mysis. I am just curious. Is there really that big of a difference between the different brands? Everyone claims their is "fortified" with this and that. But who has really performed any detailed analysis comparing them all?
pookstreet
Registered Stick Killer
Thanks for the clarification, Brian :thumbsup:
DanW
Certified Stick Killer
I think the key is that the inhabitants need some amount of phosphorous but the $64K question is "œWhat is the minimum (or optimal) requirement?" Assuming that what is not consumed and used would be excremented into the tank. While we are all guessing based on each individual tank and its mix of inhabitants, it's shocking to see how high the percentage above sea water is for some of the foods.
stunreefer
Reef Hugger
Mmmm, mmmm good! Mix some PE with a bit of cyclopeeze topped with Arctipods and you can't beat it! Little wasabi on the side and you're good to go :fun4:
Surprisingly, yes. By no means is my experience a scientific analysis, but most other Mysis is mostly water. I also keep Hikari (small) on hand for acclimating new fish, and once they take that I add small (chopped) pieces of P.E. P.E. Mysis is so big, full of goodness for the fishes (and my sushi rolls) it's honestly unbelieveable. Get your hands on some and your Hikari will quickly end up lost smoewhere in the bottom of your freezer
Oh yeah, make sure to rinse it in RO/DI as Mark noted cuz this stuff is SUPER oily.
DanW
Certified Stick Killer
P.E. (Piscine Energetics) Mysis is the bomb dizzle... it's Mysis on steroids - really big, nutritious and delicious: http://www.mysis.com/
EDIT: Dan beat me to it
Yeah, no kidding...some of those big boys are bigger than a grain of rice. Sometimes my wrasses have a hard time choaking them down. Maybe on a roll like the masago sushi.
aquariumclown
New member
You guys are making my head hurt, lol.
I have fed mysis before and did see a huge jump in phosphates when I fed it, so I stopped.
My feeding of spectrum pellets are great for me. Minimal phosphates and my fish love them, and getting fat from them. I have fish ranging from 16 years old to 2 years old. I see no nutrition deficiency from what I'm doing. Honestly, I believe that by keeping my tank water properly balanced for my corals has kept my fish very healthy, this is a recent discovery of mine.
Based on all the facts above, this indicates more strict water change routine. I really need to work on a more automated water change system. I've been changing 10 gals a month for the last 6 months. But I do see a benefit of doing that on a bi-weekly bases. But I cannot sacrifice additional time every 2 weeks to do it, it's such a PIA! That's my reef pet peeve.
I have fed mysis before and did see a huge jump in phosphates when I fed it, so I stopped.
My feeding of spectrum pellets are great for me. Minimal phosphates and my fish love them, and getting fat from them. I have fish ranging from 16 years old to 2 years old. I see no nutrition deficiency from what I'm doing. Honestly, I believe that by keeping my tank water properly balanced for my corals has kept my fish very healthy, this is a recent discovery of mine.
Based on all the facts above, this indicates more strict water change routine. I really need to work on a more automated water change system. I've been changing 10 gals a month for the last 6 months. But I do see a benefit of doing that on a bi-weekly bases. But I cannot sacrifice additional time every 2 weeks to do it, it's such a PIA! That's my reef pet peeve.
I can't find the link but on of the two PE or Hikari has more oil in it, while I don't see much of a difference besides size. i feed Hikari.
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