I have been monitoring this thread since it started. I added a copperband about a month ago, and of course got a little ich. I initially started with garlic, then added some ginger. The ich did subside. Unfortunately I have been forced to leave town several times, so no food. The ich did come back each time. I have recently ran out of garlic so I decided to try just ginger. It is working as far as I can tell just as well as both garlic and ginger. The skeptics in this thread IMO are truly out of line. I don't think anyone claimed this as a for sure cure all, but a possible new cure just like the subject says. If you don't think it will work don't try it. Go back to putting pennies in your tank, because progression is obviously not for you!
Possible New Cure for Ick?
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Schism - what you describe sounds to me like ich coming back because you were out of town and your fish weren't getting enough to eat. A well fed fish with a 'little' ich will often beat the parasite on its own, whether you're feeding garlic, ginger or hamburger.
Skeptics are the reason we aren't all getting ripped off by Marc Weiss or buying additives that are 99 percent distilled water. You can dump practically anything in your tank and see a change. That doesn't mean the change happened because of what you dumped in there.
Skeptics are the reason we aren't all getting ripped off by Marc Weiss or buying additives that are 99 percent distilled water. You can dump practically anything in your tank and see a change. That doesn't mean the change happened because of what you dumped in there.
Thales
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Schism said:
But you just said it was working.
You have no way at all to tell if the ginger is doing anything. It is probable that a regular food supply is helping the fish to fight the ich.
Shimek article link
They have had the same regular food supply. I have missed the garlic/ginger for a few days about 3 weeks ago and there ya go, spots. I am 100% in this case it is not the constant supply of food, but something added. If it was a constant food supply my tank would never have ich.
Your saying I don't know if the ginger is doing anything, is true. You obviously don't either!
I know what is working in my tank and honestly could care less if you think its working or not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You can also read an preach everything Ron write about in that article. People like you,lefty, should put their time used for "nope that won't work" to something like "its a possibility, lets look into it". After all everything we have in our tanks were someones crazy idea, fortunately the calcium reactor, or protien skimmer weren't something that came to you in a dream. If it did we'd probably be without!
If your tank is fine for you, stick with it, I DON'T do things as everyone wants you to. People say you need a protein skimmer, mechanical filtration, why? It works fine without. People in this community have a drawing board for every situation. How to set up a tank, what to do for ich, what light you need to grow X coral. If you try and do something different people will tell you "YOU ARE WRONG", whether it works or not.
Sorry dude, ginger appears to be working for me, and thats all you and I need to know. If someone else wants to try it, what are you going to tell them to do? Buy another tank to quarantine and hypo? Or garlic? or is garlic's history irrelevant for you? Maybe you would tell them just to give a constant supply of food.. come on. I would sure as hell tell them to try garlic, ginger, whatever you can before you buy another tank (assuming they don't have one), or kill your reef with hypo. If it doesn't work try something else! whats so hard about that?
Your saying I don't know if the ginger is doing anything, is true. You obviously don't either!
I know what is working in my tank and honestly could care less if you think its working or not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You can also read an preach everything Ron write about in that article. People like you,lefty, should put their time used for "nope that won't work" to something like "its a possibility, lets look into it". After all everything we have in our tanks were someones crazy idea, fortunately the calcium reactor, or protien skimmer weren't something that came to you in a dream. If it did we'd probably be without!
If your tank is fine for you, stick with it, I DON'T do things as everyone wants you to. People say you need a protein skimmer, mechanical filtration, why? It works fine without. People in this community have a drawing board for every situation. How to set up a tank, what to do for ich, what light you need to grow X coral. If you try and do something different people will tell you "YOU ARE WRONG", whether it works or not.
Sorry dude, ginger appears to be working for me, and thats all you and I need to know. If someone else wants to try it, what are you going to tell them to do? Buy another tank to quarantine and hypo? Or garlic? or is garlic's history irrelevant for you? Maybe you would tell them just to give a constant supply of food.. come on. I would sure as hell tell them to try garlic, ginger, whatever you can before you buy another tank (assuming they don't have one), or kill your reef with hypo. If it doesn't work try something else! whats so hard about that?
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Thales
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Schism said:
100% sure? It could also simply be the lifecycle of the parasite. Its visual cue does come and go.
I never said I did.
[/quote]I know what is working in my tank and honestly could care less if you think its working or not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [/QUOTE]
The sheer nimber of explanation points indicates otherwise.
Honestly, I dont understand the rudeness at the end of you posts. Why can't we have different views without puy downs?
None of the so called treatments I've used worked 100% of the time. There are too many variations in every tank, so just becuase a "scientist" proved his theory with an experiment, does that mean that the average aquarist can repeat what the "scientist" has done in a controlled environment?
If you need to be a "scientist" to experiment, then does that mean we need to be a "vetrinarian" to administer treatment for our fish? Better get out your bank rolls! Is everyone who started a marine tank been a marine biologist? Or can anyone with an interest partake in our hobby?
If someone wants to experiment and express his/her views and share their results/conclusions then more power to them!! Keep up the good work. They are not forcing you to try their methods, just giving others ideas.
If you need to be a "scientist" to experiment, then does that mean we need to be a "vetrinarian" to administer treatment for our fish? Better get out your bank rolls! Is everyone who started a marine tank been a marine biologist? Or can anyone with an interest partake in our hobby?
If someone wants to experiment and express his/her views and share their results/conclusions then more power to them!! Keep up the good work. They are not forcing you to try their methods, just giving others ideas.
Thales
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Lefty, good article, My response was not to anyone in particular. I was just throwing out some questions based on the parts of this thread I read. To be good at this hobby one should question everything, thus that is the reason of the questions in my post. Just because some science experiment has proven something, doesn't mean it is correct either. As science goes it is always changing. Just look at blood pressure for example. They just changed the standards for hypertension again. I don't trust anything and I question everything. I hope you didn't take offense to my post it wasn't directed at anyone.
You cannot compare protein skimmers and calcium reactors to garlic and ginger. Foam washes up on the beach, corals need calcium to grow. Both of these devices are an attempt to mimic nature and a natural progression of the hobby.
However, since marine fish never come into contact with garlic and ginger and they appear to serve no nutritional value, I feel they have no place in an aquarium. If ich do not like a fish that has eaten garlic, perhaps garlic isn't good for the fish either. Or ginger. JMO, but who knows?
It just seems incredibly silly to me. Not trying to offend anyone. Please don't assault me with exclamation points.
However, since marine fish never come into contact with garlic and ginger and they appear to serve no nutritional value, I feel they have no place in an aquarium. If ich do not like a fish that has eaten garlic, perhaps garlic isn't good for the fish either. Or ginger. JMO, but who knows?
It just seems incredibly silly to me. Not trying to offend anyone. Please don't assault me with exclamation points.
mike4271
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Just found this thread whilst looking thru search results on ick, cant see any posts since June.To the thread starter, I found it a very interesting thread and have gained a lot of knowledge thru it, pity I had to wade thru all the criticism etc, I'm sure it wasnt your intention to start a debate, just to share some information with other hobbiests, on hindsight they should have started a discussion thread and left the rest of us to folow your progress. Anywhoo, how did things work out, hope you got everything back to normal at your house.
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Just found this thread whilst looking thru search results on ick, cant see any posts since June.To the thread starter, I found it a very interesting thread and have gained a lot of knowledge thru it, pity I had to wade thru all the criticism etc, I'm sure it wasnt your intention to start a debate, just to share some information with other hobbiests, on hindsight they should have started a discussion thread and left the rest of us to folow your progress. Anywhoo, how did things work out, hope you got everything back to normal at your house.
Steven Pro
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ChrisGar said:
I waded through all 9 pages of this thread and this was the only part that peaked my interest. Does anyone know if there is an article or reference for the above statement?
CJ
Premium Member
I used crushed garlic and ginger and my clown fish still died. Obviously it isn't 100%
Nolthing is 100%. People die in hospitals every day
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Originally posted by ChrisGar
This does in fact work. I have used this method before. It is a method developed by some french guy with a PhD.
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I waded through all 9 pages of this thread and this was the only part that peaked my interest. Does anyone know if there is an article or reference for the above statement?
You might want to PM ChrisGar. This thread went all over the place and since he posted early in the thread might have lost interest by now.
Nolthing is 100%. People die in hospitals every day
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Originally posted by ChrisGar
This does in fact work. I have used this method before. It is a method developed by some french guy with a PhD.
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I waded through all 9 pages of this thread and this was the only part that peaked my interest. Does anyone know if there is an article or reference for the above statement?
You might want to PM ChrisGar. This thread went all over the place and since he posted early in the thread might have lost interest by now.
Blackgagt1
Premium Member
this is a huge thread
how do you use the Garlic and ginger combo
i have 2 clowns, cleaner wrasse, mandarin, and a Regal Angel
how do you use the Garlic and ginger combo
i have 2 clowns, cleaner wrasse, mandarin, and a Regal Angel
discoverstyle
In Memoriam
Hi All------It's been awhile since I posted, At first I was just using garlic, zoe,---soaked food----I used this about 8 weeks, to help with my purple tang that had ICH---with no change-----I tried NO ICH for 5 weeks all that did was kill my bio-balls and start my cycle over--------After the ammonia spike and the loss of 3 fish-(A manderian, chocolate tang, seabea clown)-----I now use ginger, garlic and zoe------soaked foods-------the fish love it, and after 2 weeks my purple tang is ICH FREE----------that is after seeing what he looked like over the last 2 1/2 month's--------lets put it this way-----"There's not a spot on him!!!! I know ICH goes through cycles. I think either the garlic, ginger, zoe mixture helped or he just got immuned to the ICH------Or Both!!!! Either way, I'm going to keep feeding like this------I feed twice a day, about 1/4 teaspoon full "of the mixture with frozen food" I always keep dried seaweed in there as well. My tang is FAT and HAPPY!!!! And now my TANK is HAPPY!!!! I think that there are many things that need to go into consideration when dealing with ICH-------A healthy tank will usually heal itself If you do your part to keep it healthy-----(I did WEEKLY water changes---and vaccumed the substrate, I ran a UV, I had cleaner shrimp, cleaner wrasses, and If there is stress in your tank try to fix it.-----In my case I do not think 2 tangs no matter what kind should be kept together--(my tank is a 72 gal bow)-----they may not fight, mine didn't but I don't think (NOW---that 1 died) that they liked each other. I used a polyfilter plus a regular filter----I tried to keep everything as clean as possible, and water quality good-------For awhile there the ICH took over, It got really bad no matter what I did, but I just kept at it!!!! Now after 2 1/2-3 month's My tank has taken a major turn for the better!!! I will give it another 2-3 weeks and report back------As for now-------Looks like the combo, of everything I've done or been doing is working----It's not a quick fix, but It may be the healthiest way to go instead of tearing down your tank, catching/trapping fish, using hypo, or copper meds, ect. Alot of people out there, who don't have a Q. Tank, knows what I'm saying-----we want healthy fish, and we know we should have a Q. Tank, but sometimes even Ich sneeks up on the best of us, and having more than one tank even a simple set up, still cost $$$$ to set up and maintain------In a perfect world, we all would be millionair's--------Personally I feel, that acting as fast and natural as possible is the best way, to combat ICH. I personally couldn't wait for a Q.Tank to cycle, nor did I have the $$$ at the time, my purple tang got ICH-------so I researched, and did what I could--------And it looks like it worked! And if I had to do it all over again-------All I would change is--------Only 1 tang per tank, don't use No-ICH it was a waste of money, and use the ginger/garlic/zoe mixture from the start. This is just my opinion--------------Thanks, for reading----------------Belinda Oh yea----------I did not loose the 3 fish from ICH, I lost them from the ammonia spike, I got from adding 5 pieces of LR to my tank that the LFS swore was already cycled----HAHA---LOL, I won't belive them again!!!!!! Sorry about my fish though!!, I won't be adding any new ones soon-----I want to give it at least another month, maby too!!!!
Blackgagt1
Premium Member
how do you prepare the garlic doseage?
