wentreefgirl
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Ok, so you had a frag swap 2 wks ago and now problems.
Possible Pathogen Based Acro Necrosis
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trueblackpercula
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I too have been having problems can some one tell me if this has anyone found a cure?
Thanks
Michael
Here is my problem please take a look,
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1132073
Thanks
Michael
Here is my problem please take a look,
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1132073
trueblackpercula
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A freind told me about this link I think we are on to something here.........anyone want to go first?
http://www.reefs.org/library/talklog/c_bingman_040697.html
http://www.reefs.org/library/talklog/c_bingman_040697.html
Kip
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updates will probably slow down a bit unless something revolutionary is observed
if i can keep the tank/corals happy for a while with no further signs of problems... i will return the tank back to normal operating temperature/photoperiod. then if that goes well... i will introduce some acro frags to the frag tank and see how they fair
in the meantime... the healthy tips that i transplanted to another stand-alone 75g system here at home... there is one frag with some recession at the bottom. i dont know if it is "disease" related or just that the frag is adjusting to a change in environment. that frag could be my first doxy experiment.
oh.... and i did that thing where ya scoop some sand... took the sample from a back corner where it is the deepest. it sat in container full of tank water from midnite last nite until 9pm tonite and was tested with the hanna ....... nada
if i can keep the tank/corals happy for a while with no further signs of problems... i will return the tank back to normal operating temperature/photoperiod. then if that goes well... i will introduce some acro frags to the frag tank and see how they fair
in the meantime... the healthy tips that i transplanted to another stand-alone 75g system here at home... there is one frag with some recession at the bottom. i dont know if it is "disease" related or just that the frag is adjusting to a change in environment. that frag could be my first doxy experiment.
oh.... and i did that thing where ya scoop some sand... took the sample from a back corner where it is the deepest. it sat in container full of tank water from midnite last nite until 9pm tonite and was tested with the hanna ....... nada
wentreefgirl
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Hey now.
wentreefgirl
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The Saltman
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Kip, just curious. Could you list your Qt practice before you put new sps into your system?
The article mentions the use of chloramphenicol after a lugol dip. Have you ever used this?
The article mentions the use of chloramphenicol after a lugol dip. Have you ever used this?
Kip
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when i get a new acro frag in....
1) i pull it from the bag, dump the water in a bucket, and let the coral slime up some in the air for a minute or two
2) then i start a drip with airline tubing and a roller pinch to acclimate the coral to my water conditions
3) then i do an interceptor bath for ~3hrs... discard the water and add new tank water to the bucket
4) then i add TMProCC to the bucket as directed for a 15min bath (this stuff really does manifest an aefw problem).... if aefw's are found, i will scope the base/mount and remove eggs if found (or most of the time.. i break the coral from the mount and re-mount it)... before TMProCC... i used lugol's in this step
5) after this bathing acclimation process, the acro will go into my 20g breeder holding tank at work that can be taken on and offline from the rest of my work system
6)if after ~6-8wks all is well, the coral gets transplanted to my home frag tank.
this process more than anything is to make sure no RBs and aefw's get into my home system
it looks as if the doxy bath for a day or two may become a part of this regimen (thats all gonna depend upon how well i see that acros respond to this ABX bathing process and how well it actually works)
i have never used chloramphenicol
1) i pull it from the bag, dump the water in a bucket, and let the coral slime up some in the air for a minute or two
2) then i start a drip with airline tubing and a roller pinch to acclimate the coral to my water conditions
3) then i do an interceptor bath for ~3hrs... discard the water and add new tank water to the bucket
4) then i add TMProCC to the bucket as directed for a 15min bath (this stuff really does manifest an aefw problem).... if aefw's are found, i will scope the base/mount and remove eggs if found (or most of the time.. i break the coral from the mount and re-mount it)... before TMProCC... i used lugol's in this step
5) after this bathing acclimation process, the acro will go into my 20g breeder holding tank at work that can be taken on and offline from the rest of my work system
6)if after ~6-8wks all is well, the coral gets transplanted to my home frag tank.
this process more than anything is to make sure no RBs and aefw's get into my home system
it looks as if the doxy bath for a day or two may become a part of this regimen (thats all gonna depend upon how well i see that acros respond to this ABX bathing process and how well it actually works)
i have never used chloramphenicol
The Saltman
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sounds like a good regime. I would be curious, however, how well this chloramphenicol would work as part of your qt process. The article claims its the only sure-fire antibotic to work.
The Saltman
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Just a thought on this subject. Borneman mentions in his article that some coral may become "immune" to this infection, thats why it only affects certain coral and not others. This is just a thought though and no evidence that this theory is true.
The Saltman
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Eric: "To be honest, I think that new arrivals have the highest likelihood of having bacterial cause of RTN"
Kip, just a thought too, on how you were saying about your frags. Also, with all the water changes you have done(I know I may be harping on this issue) it may be the thing that slowed everything down or decreased the concentration of the bacteria. I know we do not know wether its free floating or not, but it does make sense to a degree.
Kip, just a thought too, on how you were saying about your frags. Also, with all the water changes you have done(I know I may be harping on this issue) it may be the thing that slowed everything down or decreased the concentration of the bacteria. I know we do not know wether its free floating or not, but it does make sense to a degree.
The Saltman
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You got that right, thats what makes this hobby so interesting and intriguing:rollface:
Yes just acropora were affected, but some were immune. Some polyps of affected colonies survived and became immune themselves. If I tried a new colony it would suffer the same fait. The pathogen bacteria, viruses or what ever it was, didn’t last long it died out once it couldn’t infect anymore colonies. I can put new acroporas in with no problems and I guess the ones I have are stronger now. It was terrible watching a six year old colony die in four days, but watching it recover better then ever is amazing, it still bares the scars.
The skin would turn a hazy color and fall off in a few days, this would happen in large sections of the colony at once. The next day all you would see was skeleton and peeling flesh around it. In a few weeks the colony would be gone. Luckily some polyps lived and the colonies regrew, I lost a few though.
The Saltman
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In bornemans book, "Aquarium corals" he talks about the many bacterial diseases of corals.
He does talk about chloramphenicol quite a bit in this book as a protocol for the bacterial diseases. But, as kip mentioned, there is no concrete evidence that it works 100%. Also, if you check out this book, he has a list of the known coral bacterial diseases. If you check it out, some may find some that resemble your situation.
He does talk about chloramphenicol quite a bit in this book as a protocol for the bacterial diseases. But, as kip mentioned, there is no concrete evidence that it works 100%. Also, if you check out this book, he has a list of the known coral bacterial diseases. If you check it out, some may find some that resemble your situation.
