Buchananlion
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For the qt I see most people do bare bottom with some PVC pipes. Could I do one with sand and fake plants?
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Bare bottom with some PVC pipes are the way to do a QT. No sand since sand can absolve medications, provides a place for parasites to hide, and also affects salinity when you decide to do hypo. no fake plants or live plants or rocks or any of those stuffs. KISS.
Buchananlion
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Interesting
FIREFISHPAT
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To me the 5 to 7 day rule is that if you don't treat a Potter Angel fish when you first buy him he will die of some kind of Ich, fluke or some kind of parasite. Perfect example is above mention. Only other way if LFS had him for a while like 2 weeks or better. Chances are LFS is using copper or some kind of Med.The longer LFS has him the better your chances are that he is healthly. Buchananlion, I won't add fish to that tank for at least 4 weeks. Just to be on safe side. If your other fish didn't get parasite by now they shouldn't pick up any parasite. But a new fish can. So let your tank run its course for 4 more weeks. Some fish you can get without QT. Like ask LFS to hold the fish for you like for a week or more. See if he's eating, look at the fishes eye see if they clear and look at the fishes color. The longer your LFS has the fish the healthly he's getting. But today LFS are happy to move them out fast. So just be smarter and ask question other wise you will lose your interest and lose your money.
Buchananlion
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Thank you that was helpful, I have desided to wait to get any fish of any kind and when I do QT I got a 10 gallon tank with a small filter that has the option of carbon or no carbon filter pads. A small heater and power head. I plan on bare bones with som PVC pipe pieces. But I have a question is it going to cycle? Does it need too? Thanks
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FIREFISHPAT
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If I was you I would take 5 gallons out of your 29 gal. in two weeks. Since that is only a month old. Than add 5 gal of new saltwater. So you get to do a little water change and you get some cycle water in your QT new tank. You can buy molly's they are in fresh water and you can slowly introduced than to saltwater. Their are cheap or add a damsel fish. If you have small clay flower pot are good homes for some fish if you don't have PVC. You can keep Qt at lower Salinity that helps with ich without Med.
Are these 'sacrificial' fish? What happens with them after tank cycles, you probably don't want a damsel stressing a fish in QT!
FIREFISHPAT
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Well in ten gallon tank you don't have many option thats why I said Molly's which are cheap. And if you like a damsel such as clownfish meaning and percula clownfish. Which are pretty hardy. Know don't have to be what you call 'sacrificial' fish?
Buchananlion
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I'm using it for a qt, and does it need to cycle?
rssjsb
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It will have to cycle, just like any tank. Using fish to cycle a tank is inhumane and unnecessary, even if they are "cheap." The best thing to do is to keep a sponge in the sump of your established tank for awhile, then use that in the filter on your QT.
I always keep sponges "seeding" in the sump of my display just in case.
I always keep sponges "seeding" in the sump of my display just in case.
Buchananlion
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Hmm ok will do
FIREFISHPAT
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If you take 5 gallons from your main tank and add it to Qt tank. Than you add one fish to Qt tank you are no way putting that fish in danger. Your QT tank is about cycle and you won't lose any fish except if you over feed the tank. But adding one fish will not over load of bioload. You don't have to seed any filter sponges. You can add a product by seachem Salinity which will help tank to mature and handle bioload. To much old information people are saying. Unless they can't keep a fish alive even if tank is new. Never lost a fish from cycling a tank. Another thing if you use some Med that can kill your bacteria from your filter and cause you tank not to have the bioload. So buy one that will not kill your Bacteria from your bioload.
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FIREFISHPAT
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Only way you will kill a fish if one you add to many in a new tank and over feed. Best thing to do is use old water from a tank that is cycled. Three weeks ago gave my friend 5 gal. of my water added to his 10 gal. He made the other 5 gal. He brought 2 clowns and said fish were eating as soon he put then in. Today alive and not stressed.....
rssjsb
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Ok, you appear to know better than anyone else.
To the OP, I'm just passing on what has worked for me for nearly a decade. You can add products like BioSpira if you want a little extra insurance. I've used them successfully before, but if you do as others have advised you shouldn't have a problem with your QT.
Adding water from an established tank won't do anything to speed cycling. Nitrifying bacteria do not colonize water. They cling to surfaces like rock, sand, and, yes, filter sponges.
To the OP, I'm just passing on what has worked for me for nearly a decade. You can add products like BioSpira if you want a little extra insurance. I've used them successfully before, but if you do as others have advised you shouldn't have a problem with your QT.
Adding water from an established tank won't do anything to speed cycling. Nitrifying bacteria do not colonize water. They cling to surfaces like rock, sand, and, yes, filter sponges.
FIREFISHPAT
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Why don't you try it yourself and see for yourself who's BS or luck maybe you learn something.
Toddrtrex
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You mean like learning that that vast vast majority of nitrifying bacteria is on/in the live rocks and not within the water column. In other words, using that water did nothing.
FIREFISHPAT
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I should of not said about cycling a Qt tank it will help without causing fish lost in QT tank if he wants to start up faster. So next best thing is use water from a mature tank. STATMENT by Martin Moe A tank can be inoculated with nitrifying using water and / or sand from another established marine system. Yes we know you need Bacteria on filter to have a tank cycle in period of time. Not talking about Nitrifying and transformation of nitrate to nitrogen gas. Just setting up 10 gal QT and adding a fish so he has no lost. In time HE WILL HAVE a BIOLOAD ON HIS FILTER TO HELP AID OF CYCLYING. If it work for me and my friend maybe you should see if its BS. All hes trying to do is set up 10 gal QT. The best way to set up ANY tank from a mature tank. Waste materials from fish, inverebrates so waste organic produced in tank to cling to what you have said is right. Instead of knocking me give the person a hand on setting up his QT if you know everything that is BS. Like 'sacrificial' fish? No .... I said about cycle not to lose a fish except over feeding them. I never said it will cycle your tank. Will aid your tank so your fish will not be stress or die............and in time the tank will on its own develop its own bioload to his filter. YES adding bacteria product will help too will added point....
Toddrtrex
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I am trying to help him, and letting him know that you need to use something that had bacteria in/on it -- perhaps a sponge that has been in the sump of the display tank. If one just using DT water and not the sponge (( or something similar )) there is going to be issues.
LargeAngels
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Exactly!!!!! As mentioned easiest way is to use an existing bio substrate.
Some fish can handle the increased ammonia and nitrite while a tank is cycling, but most won't. Improper bio in QT probably kills more fish than disease does.
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