Prodibio
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mattseattle
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I'm in the same boat as trmiv. i use bio-optium, bio-digest and reef booster and that is it. 0 phosphates and 0 nitrates and coral colors are fine.
TryTheChi
Member
Its not the only way to go - IMHO - if you have undetectable NO3 and PO4 with great coloration then there is little need for Digest and TPIM.
I dont think anyone needs to be 'sold' on this - but it can be a useful tool if you want to explore it. If not - no problem
Reef Booster is superb if you dont have an algae problem and important to counter nutrient limitation resulting from the first 2.
Iwans results are multi factoral and arnt down to this product line alone - these just contribute to the foundation for good coloration by helping to achieve a nutirent poor environment. They key to the Iwan method IMO is developing powers of observation in relation to cause and effect for the range of elements he works with.
Its a challenge getting to Iwans standards, and doing so doesnt come in little glass vials
- but its a help and IME have not had the problems that others have described.Cheers
Simon
clkwrk
Active member
Here is an old paper that I thought you folks would find interesting . There is some very good info to be absorbed
http://www.aslo.org/lo/toc/vol_18/issue_3/0380.pdf
http://www.aslo.org/lo/toc/vol_18/issue_3/0380.pdf
TryTheChi
Member
clkwrk
thanks for that - USSR - brings back memories......
its seems this confirms the contribution of the probiotic approach to coral health.
Evidence also to experiment with shaking mulm inro the water column (with or without zeolites) as a feeding mechanism.
Thanks again
Simon
thanks for that - USSR - brings back memories......
its seems this confirms the contribution of the probiotic approach to coral health.
Evidence also to experiment with shaking mulm inro the water column (with or without zeolites) as a feeding mechanism.
Thanks again
Simon
kirstenk
23.5 Degrees
Scott, it has been 4 weeks this Sunday since I dosed anything. I got sick of the cyano and did ChemiClean and it totally worked. 
I think it didn't come back cuz I stopped all the Amino Acids, Element K and ReefBooster.
My corals continue to do better. I want to start up on the Digest and Bioptim but I do not think the tank is ready yet.
When you say, seem to be stable again, refresh my memory, what happened during the unstable part? Booster?
I think it didn't come back cuz I stopped all the Amino Acids, Element K and ReefBooster.My corals continue to do better. I want to start up on the Digest and Bioptim but I do not think the tank is ready yet.
When you say, seem to be stable again, refresh my memory, what happened during the unstable part? Booster?
marilynrn711
Premium Member
I used bio-digest and bioptim for about 5 mos and rarely used the reef booster only 2-3 times.
Now I am battling an outbreak of cyano, which has gone on for the past 2 mos. I am not using anymore of this until I get the cyano under control. Nothing else has changed with the tank so not sure why this has happened. I am feeding the fish sparingly and parameters are all the same.
Do you think the cyano is due to the digest/bioptim?
Now I am battling an outbreak of cyano, which has gone on for the past 2 mos. I am not using anymore of this until I get the cyano under control. Nothing else has changed with the tank so not sure why this has happened. I am feeding the fish sparingly and parameters are all the same.
Do you think the cyano is due to the digest/bioptim?
marilynrn711
Premium Member
I used bio-digest and bioptim for about 5 mos and rarely used the reef booster only 2-3 times.
Now I am battling an outbreak of cyano, which has gone on for the past 2 mos. I am not using anymore of this until I get the cyano under control. Nothing else has changed with the tank so not sure why this has happened. I am feeding the fish sparingly and parameters are all the same.
Do you think the cyano is due to the digest/bioptim?
Now I am battling an outbreak of cyano, which has gone on for the past 2 mos. I am not using anymore of this until I get the cyano under control. Nothing else has changed with the tank so not sure why this has happened. I am feeding the fish sparingly and parameters are all the same.
Do you think the cyano is due to the digest/bioptim?
marilynrn711
Premium Member
Beats me as to why it posted twice!
melev
Well-known member
Obviously because you wanted twice as much attention.
I had cyano issues myself, but I was overfeeding Golden Pearls via the daily feedings and didn't figure that out for a long time.
I finally made a new batch of food, this time pearl-free, and there is hardly any in my reef at all. The refugium was a red mess, so I just tore it all out two night ago and started that zone anew. Hopefully what little bit survives will die off, or I dose with Chemi Clean to erradicate the last of it.
cerreta
Premium Member
Posted 9/12/06. 3 months. Pg 23
Ok, this is a good time for an update. I still have mixed feelings about Prodibio. My regime is different from recommended like many others.
To find my previous Update Logs:
Pg 6, 6/21/06 10days with reference pics.
Pg 9. 6/26/06 15days with pics.
Pg 20. 8/2/06. 7weeks. Written description.
My original additive regime is here:
Prodibio Bio Digest: (Sat) 1 amp every other week x 2 then 1/2 amp every other week.
Prodibio Bio Tim: (Sat) 1 amp every other week
Salifert Amino Acids: (Sun) 25cc weekly
Salifert All-in-One: (Mon) 25cc weekly
Salifert Trace Hard: (Tues) 25cc weekly
Salifert Natural Iodine: (Wed) 10cc weekly
Salifert pH/dKH buffer: (PRN) when needed for dKH between < 8
Salifert Coral Calcium: (PRN) 25cc when needed for Ca < 425
Vodka: (Daily) 4cc
Coral Food: (Daily) 1/4 tsp Phytoplan & 1/4 tsp ZoPlan & 1/4 tsp Cyclop-eeze whole freeze dried
Fish Food: (Twice Daily Varied) Formula Two and frozen mysis (cyclopeeze enriched)
My current additive regime:
I never did do the ½ amp of BioDigest. I always dosed 1 amp after determining that the vial is for UP TO 250 gallons. It was too hard trying to only dose ½ amp too.
Vodka dosing is 3cc daily.
Everything else is the same.
I also perform 25 gallon water changes monthly. Net system volume is 120 gallons.
9/12/06 3 month Tank Observations:
I still have a hair algae problem but the growth has been severely retarded. About two weeks ago, I dosed chemipure (recommended for red slime algae). I bought this because a the web page ad said it is for hair algae. But when I got the stuff, it was the red slime remover Chemipure. So I dosed it and turned off lighting (moon lights on at night) for two days. Then I had MH on for 2 hours x 2 days. Then 4 hours x 7 days. Now I am up to 6 hours for about three days. This worked extremely well. I used to clean the glass with a magnet cleaner daily. Now I perform the task about once every three days. This is a huge improvement. I have not done any manual pruning of the algae for two weeks. I will do some tuft pulling tonight or tomorrow.
With the algae problem in mind, I was wondering if my skimmer is not big enough for the load I am running. It is a Euroreef RC80. It is comparable to a Deltec external rated for 130 gallons. It skims very well, but it may not be enough.
I have solved my chiller problem and the tank runs at 78-80 degrees.
I have had ongoing issues with alkalinity swings, and my reactor was leaking. So, I replaced it and it was out of service for several days. The alk dropped to 5.4, then shot up to 12.5 as I overcompensated. Now it is back to 10.4 and I will try to keep it around 9-10. Ca stayed at 410 then came up to 435 as the alk increased. I have the reactor just about tweaked.
Coral Observations:
I have lost several large sps colonies to RTN and STN. I have even lost a few frags that were added. The sps recently have taken on a lightening of color. I am unsure this is a cause of Prodibio, since my previous alk swings caused the same problem. But, the colors were not so light before.
Other than problems with sps (and not all but most), the zoos, softies, and LPS have never looked better. Again, I do not think the previous bad look of the zoos was a result of Prodibio but rather a result of the hair algae. Everywhere I have read, algae, alk swings, and temp swings are detrimental. So, I have not yet given up on Prodibio, but with all the other corals looking there best as the algae subsides, it leaves me to wonder why the sps do not fare so well. Maybe it is just the recent alk swing?! I guess the other corals are not so sensitive to it.
As for my adjacent nano tank, (plumbed into same system) the algae has completely subsided after the light dimming and ChemiPure treatment. I crammed this tank full of Zoanthid colonies with a few LPS and softies. I am upgrading to a bigger nano, but time has occupied me.
So, I do not see any ill effects of Prodibio on these coral types. The algae bloom was causing the ill effects.
Future Plans:
I will manually pluck hair algae and treat the tank with another bout of Chemipure. I will also target problem spots of hair algae with the NEW Chem Marin Stop Hair Algae. I will keep increasing the lighting by two hours until I get back to 12 hour light cycles, maybe I will stop at ten. Any thoughts?
I will soon be running out of Salifert AA and will no longer use it. I believe I will get enough AA from the All-in-One product and Bio Tim. I have considered putting the UV sterilizer back in use, but it needed a new transformer. I got it back today and will likely hold off if all goes well.
I will try to post pictures soon.
Ok, this is a good time for an update. I still have mixed feelings about Prodibio. My regime is different from recommended like many others.
To find my previous Update Logs:
Pg 6, 6/21/06 10days with reference pics.
Pg 9. 6/26/06 15days with pics.
Pg 20. 8/2/06. 7weeks. Written description.
My original additive regime is here:
Prodibio Bio Digest: (Sat) 1 amp every other week x 2 then 1/2 amp every other week.
Prodibio Bio Tim: (Sat) 1 amp every other week
Salifert Amino Acids: (Sun) 25cc weekly
Salifert All-in-One: (Mon) 25cc weekly
Salifert Trace Hard: (Tues) 25cc weekly
Salifert Natural Iodine: (Wed) 10cc weekly
Salifert pH/dKH buffer: (PRN) when needed for dKH between < 8
Salifert Coral Calcium: (PRN) 25cc when needed for Ca < 425
Vodka: (Daily) 4cc
Coral Food: (Daily) 1/4 tsp Phytoplan & 1/4 tsp ZoPlan & 1/4 tsp Cyclop-eeze whole freeze dried
Fish Food: (Twice Daily Varied) Formula Two and frozen mysis (cyclopeeze enriched)
My current additive regime:
I never did do the ½ amp of BioDigest. I always dosed 1 amp after determining that the vial is for UP TO 250 gallons. It was too hard trying to only dose ½ amp too.
Vodka dosing is 3cc daily.
Everything else is the same.
I also perform 25 gallon water changes monthly. Net system volume is 120 gallons.
9/12/06 3 month Tank Observations:
I still have a hair algae problem but the growth has been severely retarded. About two weeks ago, I dosed chemipure (recommended for red slime algae). I bought this because a the web page ad said it is for hair algae. But when I got the stuff, it was the red slime remover Chemipure. So I dosed it and turned off lighting (moon lights on at night) for two days. Then I had MH on for 2 hours x 2 days. Then 4 hours x 7 days. Now I am up to 6 hours for about three days. This worked extremely well. I used to clean the glass with a magnet cleaner daily. Now I perform the task about once every three days. This is a huge improvement. I have not done any manual pruning of the algae for two weeks. I will do some tuft pulling tonight or tomorrow.
With the algae problem in mind, I was wondering if my skimmer is not big enough for the load I am running. It is a Euroreef RC80. It is comparable to a Deltec external rated for 130 gallons. It skims very well, but it may not be enough.
I have solved my chiller problem and the tank runs at 78-80 degrees.
I have had ongoing issues with alkalinity swings, and my reactor was leaking. So, I replaced it and it was out of service for several days. The alk dropped to 5.4, then shot up to 12.5 as I overcompensated. Now it is back to 10.4 and I will try to keep it around 9-10. Ca stayed at 410 then came up to 435 as the alk increased. I have the reactor just about tweaked.
Coral Observations:
I have lost several large sps colonies to RTN and STN. I have even lost a few frags that were added. The sps recently have taken on a lightening of color. I am unsure this is a cause of Prodibio, since my previous alk swings caused the same problem. But, the colors were not so light before.
Other than problems with sps (and not all but most), the zoos, softies, and LPS have never looked better. Again, I do not think the previous bad look of the zoos was a result of Prodibio but rather a result of the hair algae. Everywhere I have read, algae, alk swings, and temp swings are detrimental. So, I have not yet given up on Prodibio, but with all the other corals looking there best as the algae subsides, it leaves me to wonder why the sps do not fare so well. Maybe it is just the recent alk swing?! I guess the other corals are not so sensitive to it.
As for my adjacent nano tank, (plumbed into same system) the algae has completely subsided after the light dimming and ChemiPure treatment. I crammed this tank full of Zoanthid colonies with a few LPS and softies. I am upgrading to a bigger nano, but time has occupied me.
So, I do not see any ill effects of Prodibio on these coral types. The algae bloom was causing the ill effects.
Future Plans:
I will manually pluck hair algae and treat the tank with another bout of Chemipure. I will also target problem spots of hair algae with the NEW Chem Marin Stop Hair Algae. I will keep increasing the lighting by two hours until I get back to 12 hour light cycles, maybe I will stop at ten. Any thoughts?
I will soon be running out of Salifert AA and will no longer use it. I believe I will get enough AA from the All-in-One product and Bio Tim. I have considered putting the UV sterilizer back in use, but it needed a new transformer. I got it back today and will likely hold off if all goes well.
I will try to post pictures soon.
