Proper Exposure for Parasites....

LEE, you're quite right... I jumped to a conclusion that Randy did not actually report. However, when you consider that (a) the kill rate for bacteria is on the order of 50%, (b) Cryptocaryon is about 40X bigger than a typical bacillus, and (c) the killing dosage is probably proportional to organism size, it's reasonable to assume that ozone will have no useful effect in reducing the parasite populations.
 
Does anyone know of any actual data on UV kill rates for marine parasites? Has anyone ever run tests? I've seen the tables published, but no report of actual testing.

This is the reply I got from Pentair Aquatics (Rainbow Lifeguard.)

"There is no good data on uv kill rates for parasites in aquariums. The only data is from the drinking water market and these are published in our brochure."
 
I used to have a Corallife Turbo Twist 3x running for 6 mths. Result for parasitic control: Not significant enough. IMO.

Worse: It electrocuted my tank! Electric Current leaked as the UV bulbs broke. Dont ask me how it broke... I certainly didn't break it myself. One day, I had an electric shock with my hand in the sump, and investigated. Unscrewed the Turbo 3x... & @#%&. The electric current leaked from the UV. Bulb was broken. I was disappointed at the quality & safety measure taken by the mfg.

So beware when you have "light bulb" in your tank/sump. Don't get shocked!
 
Well,

Reefers I'm back from vacation and have some reporting to do regarding the 12x Coralife Sterilizer.

My unit has been running full blast since last monday, that was the day I set it up on a mag 350.

Last Friday I took off with my wife to Anaheim, Ca to visit my brother and left my tank on auto pilot.

You all know that I'm fighting a ich epidemic in my reef and as I came home I was much surprised with what I saw.

I saw a really healthy tank with all fish swimming with their vibrant colors. The chevron and blue tang were the heaviest affected with ich prior to me setting up the UV system.

On Friday, the chevron was really covered and he hardly has any ich on him as I inspected the tank today.

The blue tang which I thought should be dead, since he was covered in ich, is still alive and has less ich as well, but not as clean as the chevron.

The others have no visible signs and the powder tang has just a few dots.

I attribute the sucess to my UV and Ozone.

Slowly but surely the tank is really comming alive with water quality and healthy fish.

I tried meds with no success and this appears to be really doing a positive number on my tank.

It's only been one week but it's a positive turn.

If I didn't already mention earlier, I dropped in two more MJ1200's on daytime timers.

I kicked up the turn over rate in my tank to 34x turn over rate. In a positive movement to capture more free floating parasites into my UV and Ozone.

It's working....

Like I mentioned in the beginning I will be keeping all of you updated....

More to come....

Mike G
 
Mike, that's good news. :thumbsup:

For the record, how long had the infection been progressing before you saw this improvement? The reason I ask is often after a few weeks the fish's immune system starts to kick in. That's one reason it's hard to tell the difference between a placebo and an effective treatment.

Due to some real stupidity that I won't explain, I've had two outbreaks in the last 2 years (the last about 18 months ago). I chose not to treat either one. The first killed a few fish, infected a few others that got better on their own, and didn't affect a few others at all. The second didn't kill anything. It's just in the last few months that I no longer see any signs of Ich in the tank (no spots on my Atlantic blue tang).
 
it isn't just the immunity kicking in, it's also the MI's loss of virulence. It's a combo effect --- The fish build immunity and the MI loses its ability to infect. So long as you don't introduce any new MI organisms, the old will die off in about 10 months. Leading up to that time, the organism gets weaker and weaker.

But after the organism is gone, the fish begin to lose their immunity.

I have helped aquarists do exactly as you've reported SAT. It works, but it takes time (and the wasting of fish life). :rollface:
 
Stuart,

To give you a recap on the infection, ich made it's first attack back in October 05, it was during the time I was adding my Tangs.

I had gotten away with adding a Yellow Tang, Blue Tang, Kole Tang, and a Chevron Tang.

It's when I added the Tomini Tang that my tank entered it's first ich outbreak and the blue tang become covered in ich. The tomini had brought some type of white mucus on his head but he never developed the ich.

Ich then spread to my algae blenny, Orchid dottyback, and six line wrasse.

I had used in the past No-ich when I owned my nano cube so I went with what had worked in the past.

After treating the tank with No-ich for 2 whole weeks, the fish responded well and ich was completely eliminated visibly.

I ran the aquarium for 4 months ich free, when I decided to bring home my last edition, the Powder Blue and it's here that the problems started.

The PBT, was not quarentined and had just arrived from Indonesia and against my LFS I took him home and placed him in.

On the second day the PBT began showing signs of ich, which went from bad to worse.

I did absolutely nothing with meds, I figured my fish can overcome the ich since they had been exposed before, and this is where the problems began.

I ignored the tank for 2 full weeks and the ich just started to spread mainly on the PBT, but then on the Blue Tang and then finally the Chevron and Kole.

I went and purchased the No-ich and used the entire bottle but I rushed the dosages, since on that week my ozone unit had arrived and I wanted to set it up, big mistake.

Seeing that my fish were not getting better to the No-ich, I shut off the ozone unit that had run for only 1 week and I got another bottle of No-ich.

I ran this bottle exactly as the instructions said 1 full week, and during this time the ich didn't spread, but right after the last dosage, the ich started multiplying all over.

The ich came back super strong and literally covered the blue and chevron tang and the PBT.

At this time, I said no more on meds, I need to run the UV system along with the Ozone unit together in full power.

That brings us back to last monday March 20th; both units have been up and running 1 full week.

Okay here are some numbers, I have a turn over rate of 32x in a 72 gallon tank. My UV + Ozone turn over 6x. Over 1 week of constant circulation and increased flow, some if not a lot of the free floating ich is being targeted.

My observations and hypothesis, is that my units are destroying a good amount of the epidemic of free floating parasites. As the second wave of cysts drop to the sand bed, my powerheads are all directed towards the bottom to kick up the sand.

This second wave will and has infected my fish, but here is the kicker, they are not scratching nearly as much as before, they actually sleep in the night, when before they would dart around like mad as the ich would attack them in the night.

This has not been the case with the UV and ozone unit going for one week.

I'm hoping that these units keep the epidemic at bay and allow the fish to fight the smaller waves of cysts on their own.

With each day that passes what ever ich enters the free floating stage they have a good chance of running into the units.

With each successful pass, they are eliminated while others attach to my fish, it's giving them a fighting chance than without these two units.

What has died due to the ich as been two cleaner gobies that I added prior to the UV units. One died on the day I added him while the other lasted 1 week then died, after being covered in ich.

I have not lost any of my other fish to any of the ich as I write.

I have also decided to keep my temp at 77 degrees as I don't want them exploding all over my tank without any meds with a high temp.

I thought of the ich going crazy and getting sucked up by the units but I opted not to, since I don't want them going nuts eating my fish alive.

With the colder temp and the UV running, I see the strain not going nuts on my fish.

Well, that's everything current as I speak. I'll keep all posted as I enter week number 2.

MG
 
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