QT'd, didn't see ich, but it showed up in the DT?
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lhm nole
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So if you qt for 6 weeks and see no signs of ich and only do a prazi treatment there is a chance ich can occur once fish is added to the Dt? If that is the case you would have to basically copper every fish you receive? That tells me in order to have a system that is 100 percent ich free would nearly be impossible.... I know some on here believe that a ich free tank is possible but after being in this hobby 20 plus years and knowing people that does tank maintenance and shop owners and even working at one when I was younger I tend to think that ich is the most debated subject in the saltwater hobby... Hopefully more research will be done on this to help aquarist better understand how to eradicate ich 100 percent long term .
geaux xman
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every fish in my DT(6 angels) has seen 21+ days of cupramine. i have 2 more fish in QT thats is on copper too.
note that a few months ago, i did add a fish that wasnt QT by me immediately into the DT and killed off half of my livestock due to what presented as an oodinium outbreak. i went fallow(+copper in DT) for 7 weeks, and cupramine+formalin dips the live fish in a QT/hospital tank. had i not pulled and copper/formalin the live fish, they would all be dead for sure.
i can see someone who adds a ton of fish, copper treating all fish can be difficult.
note that a few months ago, i did add a fish that wasnt QT by me immediately into the DT and killed off half of my livestock due to what presented as an oodinium outbreak. i went fallow(+copper in DT) for 7 weeks, and cupramine+formalin dips the live fish in a QT/hospital tank. had i not pulled and copper/formalin the live fish, they would all be dead for sure.
i can see someone who adds a ton of fish, copper treating all fish can be difficult.
Texastravis
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The video I have above is the only video I have available at this time. I had to borrow a camera for it. The video was taken before 3 tangs and 10 anthias were added.
As for NLS...Once you get them to eat it once they will be hooked. But I usually do the tough love approach and feed nothing else but the pellets. All fish took to the food quickly but my Blonde Naso Tang held out for quite a long time. She would eat algae growing in the tank and when I finally got all phosphate and algae out of the tank she started eating the NLS. Also, purchase one jar of the "Finicky Formula". Get them to eat that then switch them over to a more staple label.
100% correct. But good luck telling that to a bunch of ignorant people around here that say there tank is successful because it is 100% ick free!!!! I always tell them to do a 10 degree swing in temp over an hour and see if there tank realllly is ick free. \
What I have been trying to tell people but I typically get ganged up on around here on Reefcentral from people telling every new aquarist that they should treat all fish with poisonous copper, including healthy fish. People should be going around and telling people to actually FEED there fish. A lot of fish stores only feed their fish every other day or once a day with frozen crap. This is why ur fish get to you in pooor health, they are starving.
It succccks haha. I usually had to quarantine in batches as well...say 5 yellow tangs in a 55 gallon or larger fish in a 90 gallon mannnyyy times over. That would be a lot of Cupramine....
jcw
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This wasn't exactly my point. I do believe in an ich free tank, but I also believe that many tanks people think are ich free are probably not. I also believe that this is much harder to achieve than merely observing in a qt for 6-8 weeks.
Given the choice, I would rather have an ich free tank than one that might have it EVEN if it is subclinical.
If that means treating healthy fish, I would.
However, given examples of failures of treatment of both hypo AND copper AND the possible complications of the treatment itself, the question becomes DO THE BENEFITS OF TREATING ALL NEW FISH OUTWEIGH THE RISKS OF TREATMENT.
When I was only observing for 6 weeks, it obviously was. Although running a second tank is labor intensive for sure.
Now treating with copper or hypo or transfer method, the decision has to be made for each person and really comes down to HOW GOOD ARE YOU AT TREATING FISH. There is a learning curve much like learning to keep a good reef tank when treating fish. And in most cases, there will be causalities.
my 2cents...
sandwi54
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You are right that ich can go unnoticed since it infects gills most of the time until a significant stress is present to lower fish's immune system. That is why I prophylactically treat every new fish for ich in QT. A few other members (also professional aquarium keepers) do too. That is the only way to guarantee demise of ich. The treatment needs to be rigorous too.
My tank is truly ich free, so are many people's tanks on RC. I can have a 10-degree temperature swing and there is still no ich.
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