Radiums done right?

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We are currently running an experiment with several ballast/bulb combos over our 300g sps reef tank. Here's what is running now:

Left side: 400w Radium on Coralvue electronic
Middle: 400w Ushio 14K on Coralvue electronic
Right side: 400w Radium on Lumatek selectable
All reflectors are Lumenmax Elites SE. We do not run any supplementation during MH "daylight hours".

Now for the highly subjective part that is typical of most every "bulb thread":
  • The left side is dimmer, bluer, and coral growth is notably slower than the middle or right side.
  • The middle is vastly brighter, not at all blue comparatively to the left or right, and coral growth is rapid and robust.
  • The right side is brighter than left but dimmer than middle, less blue than left side, and coral growth is acceptable.

By observing our own setup and researching, we've drawn these conclusions:
400W Radiums on coralife e-ballasts seem to have short life, are too dim, too blue, and don't grow corals as we'd like.
400W Radiums on lumatek e-ballasts have better lifespan, are just about right in terms of brightness and color, and do an acceptable job of growing our corals.
400W Ushio 14K on coralife e-ballasts is very bright, no hint of blue, grows corals like gang-busters, but is a little too yellow for our tastes.

Ultimately we want a bulb that is "a tad bit less blue than Radiums that are brighter and grow corals better". But this desire is obviously more complicated than just the bulb selection. Initially, we were thinking that we don't really need to change bulbs, we just need to change our ballasts. Perhaps running Radiums on M135 ballasts will do the trick. Our assumption here is that if the Lumatek e-ballast is "driving the Radium harder", the color is less blue and the PAR is elevated, and so we get just what we want. Maybe the magnetic ANSI M135 ballast does that only better, and we just need to replace all these e-ballasts with M135s.

There is a very well-informed fellow who used to frequent RC who posted this a while back:

The Radium lamps will last if operated as intended on the correct and approved ballasts:

Radium 250-watt 20,000K:
Color saturation: 66%
Luminious Flux: 7500LM
Suitable ballast design current: 3.0A
Actual lamp amperage: 2.8A
Approved ballasts:
North America: Magnetic ANSI M80 ballast.
Europe: Magnetic 3.0 Amp high pressure sodium / metal halide ballast with suitable 4kV lamp ignitor.

Radium 400-watt 20,000K:
Color saturation: 70%
Luminious Flux: 8000LM
Suitable ballast design current: 3.5/3.2A
Actual lamp amperage: 3.5A
Approved ballasts:
North America: Magnetic ANSI M135/M155 ballast.
Europe: Magnetic 3.5/3.2 Amp mercury vapor / metal halide ballast with suitable 4kV lamp ignitor.

Note the light output difference between the 250 and 400 watt Radium is minimal when operated with the correct/approved ballast. The light output is close but the 400-watt version is bluer (color saturation). Another note is the Radium lamps have been redesigned (arc tube length and diameter) and the changes have yet to be announced. The new version has made it to the market but the specs are not yet released. The recommended and approved ballasts have not changed though.

We found this (and other posts by Paul) to be very informative and interesting. It seems that Radiums really need the magnetic ANSI M135/M155 ballast to run optimally. Our experiment has shown us that the ballast makes a big difference on running Radiums, how they look, and perform over time. Paul's comment about "light output difference between the 250 and 400 watt Radium is minimal" is surprising! Should we fall back to 250W, run magnetic ballasts? That will save electricity and bulb costs!

So what to do? We spent several hours researching this, and there wasn't anything we found that answered our questions so thus this new thread for an old topic. We're looking for some experiences from everyone who feels like they have the same observations or tastes (granted this is a hugely subjective thing). Has anyone ever made the move from e-ballasts back to M135 for 400w Radiums and can provide some advice or observations? Is anyone running the lumatek selectable and found that the 400W vs. HQI setting provides more brightness with less blue tint on a Radium bulb? Is there another bulb that is "slightly less blue that Radium with more brightness and coral growth" on the same e-ballast?

Thanks for any input here.
 
I run 400w Radiums on the PFO HQI ballast, yes the bulbs are done after 6 to 7 months but color is less blue I think and growth is nice, just my .02 Sanjay results say this combo is the best!
 
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The olny RIGHT ballast to run radiums on is a m80 ballast. All the other ballast are the wrong ballast and they are not getting the true color or par of the bulb being run the proper way. This has been discussed to death on this forum, there's an entire thread dedicated to radiums.
 
The olny RIGHT ballast to run radiums on is a m80 ballast. All the other ballast are the wrong ballast and they are not getting the true color or par of the bulb being run the proper way. This has been discussed to death on this forum, there's an entire thread dedicated to radiums.

The M80 is a 250 watt ballast only. Exactly how is this going to help with 400 watt bulbs? The recommendations by Paul Erik are the correct ones.

I have seen numerous posts by you stating that the Bluewave M80 is the only ballast to run with Radiums, no matter what the wattage. You are sorely misinformed and spread that bad information too much. People ask about 150 watt Radiums, you state only the Bluewave M80, for 400 watt the Bluewave M80. Seriously?

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/search.php?searchid=6540321

150 watt DE runs correctly on any ballast that is a M81 Spec.
250 watt SE runs correctly on any ballast that is a M80 Spec
400 watt SE runs correctly on any ballast that is a M135/155 Spec.

The brand does not matter but the specification does.

OP...I would go with the 250 watters on M80 ballasts, the brand is not important but the M80 specification is. Eballasts are great for most bulbs, but the Radium is a HQI spec bulb in the 150 and 250 watt variety and will not run correctly on an Eballast. IIRC the 400 watt is not HQI so using a 400 watt HQi ballast will overdive it, increasing output at the expense of longevity.
 
Karseboom...I think it is great that you help out and a lot of things in this hobby are speculative at best, but the correct ballast for bulbs is not. The information has been available for many years. :-)
 
Sirreal, the link you posted isn't working for me, but I get what you're summarizing there.

I've not seen any instances of people running the 400w Radium on the M135/155 magnetic (non-HQI) ballasts. Apparently the bulb appears quite dim and very blue when run in that configuration.

It is still quite interesting to me that the PAR of the 250w Radium on M80 ballasts is similar to the 400w Radium on M135. That's a 15% efficiency advantage for the 250w. I guess the apples/apples comparison is the 400w Raduim running on HQI (overdriven) as you indicate and that will result in a higher PAR at the expense of a dramatically shortened lifespan.

I've seen the Advanced Aquarist Radium 400w comparisons, but these only show the Radium 400w running on various magnetic ballasts, not e-ballasts. Does anyone know if there is a PAR / color comparison that includes both magnetic and e-ballasts?
 
I have stayed away from 400 watters, and that seems to be the case for most, so information isn't as available as it is for 250 watt setups. I am old and my memory fails me at times. IIRC the magnetic ballast that is spec'd runs the bulbs at 360 watts for the 400 watt bulb and the 250 watt with a M80 runs it over 300 watts. Someone should come along and correct me on the actual wattage. The difference isn't great between the two but the HQI is putting out fairly equivalent light and PAR. For the money...I would be running the 250's on M80's with good reflectors. If money and heat is of no concern, the 400 watt HQI with the Radiums would be a lot of light, even with the shortened life of the bulb.

Another option would be to use a lower K bulb with actintics, you will get the par you want and the actintics will balance out the color. Which is what you found with the 14K Ushio's, great par but was lacking the color you were used to. It is never easy finding the right combination, lighting has been the one thing I have changed the most in 9 years in this hobby.
 
Most 400 watt ballasts overdrive the Radium bulb and give it a much shorter lifespan, however the look of the 400 watt radium on PFO HQI is the benchmark for which many experienced reefers seek to achieve with respect to color and growth. Sanjay Joshi tested all these ballasts and bulb combinations on Manhattan Reef's website....

http://www.manhattanreefs.com/lighting

You'll note after viewing the link that there is merit to running the 400 watt Radium on a 400 watt PFO HQI if you have the funds to replace the bulbs after 6-7 months. The par is comparable to many 10k bulbs with no yellowness...just crisp white with a hint of blue.

Now, there are also the more new electronic ballasts (Galaxy, Lumatek, Vertex) that still overdrive the 400 watt Radium but deliver much more lifespan. I've had my 400 Watt Radiums on Galaxy ballasts for 13 months now and they still deliver the crispness they did when I swapped them out. Par is slightly less than with the PFO HQI but I cannot tell the difference when seeing both PFO and Galaxy. For the money, the Galaxy ballast will deliver the brightness, crispness, PAR and bulb life savings I think you're looking to achieve. Those results were also tested by Sanjay and printed in Advanced Aquarist magazine. These results (link below) are what led me to buy the Galaxy ballasts for my 150 gallon sps tank.

w.advancedaquarist.com/2009/6/review

Hope this helps.
 
The M80 is a 250 watt ballast only. Exactly how is this going to help with 400 watt bulbs? The recommendations by Paul Erik are the correct ones.

I have seen numerous posts by you stating that the Bluewave M80 is the only ballast to run with Radiums, no matter what the wattage. You are sorely misinformed and spread that bad information too much. People ask about 150 watt Radiums, you state only the Bluewave M80, for 400 watt the Bluewave M80. Seriously?

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/search.php?searchid=6540321

150 watt DE runs correctly on any ballast that is a M81 Spec.
250 watt SE runs correctly on any ballast that is a M80 Spec
400 watt SE runs correctly on any ballast that is a M135/155 Spec.

The brand does not matter but the specification does.

OP...I would go with the 250 watters on M80 ballasts, the brand is not important but the M80 specification is. Eballasts are great for most bulbs, but the Radium is a HQI spec bulb in the 150 and 250 watt variety and will not run correctly on an Eballast. IIRC the 400 watt is not HQI so using a 400 watt HQi ballast will overdive it, increasing output at the expense of longevity.

Yeah I was talking about 250s NOT 400s. Sorry
 
Most 400 watt ballasts overdrive the Radium bulb and give it a much shorter lifespan, however the look of the 400 watt radium on PFO HQI is the benchmark for which many experienced reefers seek to achieve with respect to color and growth. Sanjay Joshi tested all these ballasts and bulb combinations on Manhattan Reef's website....

http://www.manhattanreefs.com/lighting

You'll note after viewing the link that there is merit to running the 400 watt Radium on a 400 watt PFO HQI if you have the funds to replace the bulbs after 6-7 months. The par is comparable to many 10k bulbs with no yellowness...just crisp white with a hint of blue.

Now, there are also the more new electronic ballasts (Galaxy, Lumatek, Vertex) that still overdrive the 400 watt Radium but deliver much more lifespan. I've had my 400 Watt Radiums on Galaxy ballasts for 13 months now and they still deliver the crispness they did when I swapped them out. Par is slightly less than with the PFO HQI but I cannot tell the difference when seeing both PFO and Galaxy. For the money, the Galaxy ballast will deliver the brightness, crispness, PAR and bulb life savings I think you're looking to achieve. Those results were also tested by Sanjay and printed in Advanced Aquarist magazine. These results (link below) are what led me to buy the Galaxy ballasts for my 150 gallon sps tank.

w.advancedaquarist.com/2009/6/review

Hope this helps.

Thanks Alex, very helpful indeed.
I just found the 400w Radiums at Reef Geek for a nice price so I picked up several. I think what I'll do is ask Santa Claus for a couple more lumatek e-ballasts and get rid of these coralvue ballasts. I had seen the Manhattan Reef comparison tool before, and am familiar with that, but the AA article is new to me. The Aquaconnect 14K bulb looks to be very similar in color to the Radium, but with considerably more PAR. I think I'm going to look into that bulb further.
 
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