Red bugs on your sps? Share your exp.

I guess im in the club too :(

Heres some information I wrote up today on red mites...
RED MITES Dreaded Acro Parasites?
I would like everyones input so I can put as much info as possible on my website about these pests.
If you want to share info or pictures please send me an email at redbugs(at)littlereef.com
 
Some of us here in the Twin Cities (minneapolis-st.paul) area have been finding that increasing the flow in the tank has alleviated the damage that the bugs cause. ie. loss of color, polyps not expanding. It has not gotten rid of the red bugs 100% but there is a noticeable decline in the population. I have a 58G with 2 aea-swirls each ran by an Iwaki 30RLT. So 1020 GPH total turnover. My tri-color acro is finallt regaining its color and the polyps are now fully expanded 24 hours per day..

I have no idea if the corals can better combat the red bugs or if the flow is detrimental to the red bugs health.

Greg
 
I have 60G tank with one 3/4" and one 1" SS and two Iwaki MD-30RLXT with turnover ~1600GPH...

No succes. Two acros dead already and two bleached :(
but couple of A.Millepora growing like crazy...

It's not a flow. It's something else.
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cyrilp
 
There is such a thing as water-blasting your corals. Too much flow is a bad thing. On the other hand..I bet the red bugs are gone from your SPS...couldn't resist..

Greg
 
No, they aren't gone :(
Actually I have these bugs for about 6 month and Iwakis were installed ~9 months ago.

Plus I have 2x400W radiums, sophisticated calcium reactors, 82F+-0.2F and all-zeroes water from the day one.
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cyrilp
 
I have been battling the Red bugs for a couple of years. Literally could see hundreds of bugs on the coral. Tank is a 320g, I had decent water movement enought that things were visable getting moved ( approx. 5000gph of in-tank flow ) around etc not real detected dead spots. However, after doubling the flow to around 10000gph ( through the use of Tunze streams ) about 6 weeks now.

There is very visable different in the red bug population. Corals have improved.

In addition to the increased flow, Also added another 400w MH from 3X400 to 4X400 on an 8' tank which I am sure also is contributing to the coral improvement but probably not a factor in the red bug reduction.

While it has been mentioned several times before in this thread, I believe the red bugs can be controlled. I have no doubt in my mind they are harmful when the population of red bugs goes unchecked.

A suggestion for Cyrlip, While you may thinK flow isn't the problem, I may be your tank has good flow but the flow isn't possitioned good enough to get flow where really needed or wrong type of flow. If sea-swirl is most of your flow, try temporarily using a powerhead of someother means to increase the constant flow around the corals. Perheaps the flow is too intermittant to be effective against the red bugs. You want constant flow around the corals.

Also, Highly recommend using Kalk in your topoff in addition to the CA reactor. While CA reactor will keep CA/ALK nice and high, there are noticable benefits to also using Kalk.
 
David,
Do you believe the kalk has an impact one the bugs? I also wanted to point out your reference to more light on your tank. I have noticed in many tanks with red bugs, they seem to not like the light. I notice they will normally hang out on the underside of the branches. Maybe the extra light you have is playing some part also.
 
I have started a maintenance dip every 10-14 days. I use the seachem reef dip solution AT the recommended strength. I worked the numbers backwards and I use roughly 1/3 ml/cup of tank water. I place the coral and treated water in a ziplock and place it in the sump for ten minutes.

It does not kill the mites, but does irrritate the heck out of them to the point where the drop off the coral. Sometimes a vigourous shake is required.

So far, this has greatly reduced the impact to the coral.

I would also like to add that I have a large robusta colony that is infested, but never shown any stress in relation to the bugs. It grows, it has beautiful bright purple colour and always has fully extended polyps....

With flow in mind, I would like to hear from people with higher flow tanks possibly employing reeftec's or streams for their input and what impact they have.
 
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RR,

Now I don't think Kalk has an impact on the bugs specifically. I have been dosing Kalk in addition to CA reactor since Jan. even when bugs were out of control. It does help with overall chemistry of the tank.

While anything is possible, I only mentioned the light because the flow alone is not a reason for the coral improvement. The additional light was on about a month before the added flow. I didn't see a drastic red bug population reduction until the flow and I have been keeping a very close eye on the red bugs for more than a year....

When red bugs get out of control dipping is a good way to reduce the numbers but I am convince dipping alone will not totally erradicate and have come to the conclusion you just have to live with them. The flow seemed to be the answer for me to be able to live with bugs. Like Greg mentioned several of us in the club came up with the same conclusion indepentantly......
 
When red bugs get out of control dipping is a good way to reduce the numbers but I am convince dipping alone will not totally erradicate

I agree, IMO nothing will completely erradicate them.
 
I, like David, have had experience with these bugs for about 2 years.

I've treated with Seachem Reef Dip and have definitely seen the bugs fall off and die. I dip at about 3-4x the recommended dosage for about 15 minutes. I've never lost a coral due to this (most don't even slime) and at the end of the dip, any and all things crustacean are dead at the bottom of the container. Some bugs may retreat to the safety of the corallite, as I've seen one or two back on the coral at a later date, but I've not had them reinfest any corals that underwent the intense dip.

I have eradicated plague proportions of red bugs from several corals using this method. It doesn't always completely eradicate them from the piece (often it does), but it's the most successful "treatment" I've found. It may also help to have a powerhead in the dip container...I do.

As mentioned, water flow is a likely factor in their ability to infest I've found. Overall, IME, I've noticed the bugs will take hold after some sort of stressful incident - higher than average temperature for a couple days, low salinity among others. If the coral cannot resist them, it succumbs IME. If it is stressed (new, acclimating, slightly bleached or irritated) they take hold much easier. That's my experience with them anyway.

Many folks selling over the internet have them on their colonies and they look fine. I know quite a few reefers who have them on their corals and the pieces look healthy as ever. These are people who once battled them as well. A combo of the dip and more flow is what has made the change for the better in most of the cases.

From now on, I don't add any piece to my tank without a mega dip first...
 
Graham,
Won't they move to your new piece even if you dip it prior to placing it in your tank. I actually killed every bug on a piece I had and the bugs have not returned in over a month. I am assuming since I still see bugs in my formosa that they will end up making there way over to that piece again if I don't get rid of them. Have you found that they don't migrate? I would think they could.
 
Yes, they will migrate. That is how infections spread. However, stress is definitely a factor. I've never had red bugs negatively affect a colony or frag that wasn't already stressed in some way. Never. Meaning, I can not attribute the red bugs foremost to the demise of any coral. I have only had them infest pieces that were not growing or colored like they "should" be, i.e. - stressed or placed in a poor location.

The best approach is quarantining things until you no longer notice bugs on them (there may still be a few that escape your eye) and most importantly, until the coral regains some color and starts growing again. I know it's not often practical to set up another system with halides and all, but I really think this is your best bet. Let them get acclimated to the Q tank for a couple weeks and then start dipping them in the strong dip at least once a week.

I can not emphasize how much I think already stressed specimens play a role in all this. As I've said, I've seen the bugs on plenty of beautiful corals.
 
Graham,
I do agree with you 100% on that. They are deffinately opportunistic. They have yet to show any signs of stress to any of my acros. My green humilis had bugs and was one of nicest, fastest growing corals, so I do agree with you.
 
Just thought that I would revive this thread, since nobody was responding to mine. Just discovered yesterday that I have the dreaded bugs. They are on some deep water Bali acros that I got about 6 weeks ago from different sources. Both of the corals seem to be thriving, but I am concerned that their health will go down the tubes. Any new ideas out there?
 
Hum... Talk about these red bugs is everywhere.

Ok 2 questions.

I had never heard of this untill relatively recently. Is this a "new" problem/epidemic? Has anyone had these bugs for more than a few years? Why would they all of a suddent pop up all over the place?

Is is limited geographically. I have seen a buch of people in the US have it. How about the rest of the world? Is it as widespread everywhere else?
 
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I have yet to personally see an SPS dominant tank that does not have red bugs. Almost everyone that has a lot of SPS corals has them, most people don't know they even have them. I didn't think I had them and a friend of mine didn't think he did either until someone who knew what to look for came over and proved us wrong. They are everywhere and I really dislike them. They seem to dominate stressed corals. If someone wants to make a lot of money, maybe millions, then find a cure for these bugs. I guarantee the product will fly off the shelves if it works. Until then, I'll just wait.

P.S. Maybe Habib can come up with a "Red Bug Exit", ohhh I should patent that name. :D
 
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I have yet to personally see an SPS dominant tank that does not have red bugs. Almost everyone that has a lot of SPS corals has them, most people don't know they even have them. I didn't think I had them and a friend of mine didn't think he did either until someone who knew what to look for came over and proved us wrong. They are everywhere and I really dislike them. They seem to dominate stressed corals. If someone wants to make a lot of money, maybe millions, then find a cure for these bugs. I guarantee the product will fly off the shelves if it works. Until then, I'll just wait.

P.S. Maybe Habib can come up with a "Red Bug Exit", ohhh I should patent that name. :D

I bet it would fly of the shelves even if it didnt work...
 
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