Reeflux 12K bulbs

[BreadmanMike]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14259320#post14259320 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by burton14e7
Reeflux + Lumenbright = glory

You have that right to a point. The LB's make an improvement for every bulb . My par almost doubled switching from LA's to LB's with Radiums. The 400w 20k Reeflux also has better par then the 400w Radiums. I posted a few numbers in the 20k Reeflux thread in the reefspecialty.com forum.

 

[BreadmanMike]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14259748#post14259748 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by stanlalee
I tend to believe the reeflux 10k gets the job done and the 12k is a bit of a under achiever based on all data I'm aware of, not just objective numbers

Look at the growth of Jeremy's tank with 250w 12k Reeflux. I'm not a fan of them as they look too white for me, but the results are pretty good on this tank.

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1313678

 

[bradbmbj]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14259515#post14259515 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by grigsy
lol, don't get all perturbed.

We were only going by OBJECTIVE numbers provided by Sanjay.

I'm not"perturbed":uzi: LOL

 

[grigsy]

Reef specialty only sells Coralvue halide bulbs. Nothing else.

Why would he want to say "Hey, buy XM, they are better than Reeflux"?

I prefer Sanjay's test.

 

[grigsy]

Reef specialty only sells Coralvue halide bulbs. Nothing else.

Why would he want to say "Hey, buy XM, they are better than Reeflux"?

I prefer Sanjay's test as the best criteria.

 

[BreadmanMike]

Jeremy doesn't own Reef Specialty. He started helping Mike out two months ago. His build thread was started in February of last year.

I prefer REAL life results as the best criteria.

 

[grigsy]

You and me both. That is why I prefer most other bulbs to Reeflux.

 

[BreadmanMike]

Come on grigsy. You can't tell me or anyone else 12k Reeflux don't work. The proof is right before your eyes.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13946500#post13946500 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by JRaquatics
Here is my tanks progression within one year.

November 2007

December 2008

February 2008

March 2008

May 2008

September 2008

December 2008

 

[2006]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14259938#post14259938 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by grigsy
You and me both. That is why I prefer most other bulbs to Reeflux.

What was your experience with Reeflux bulbs? Was there anything specific that you didn't like about the bulb besides low par?

 

[grigsy]

Your tank looks nice.

But, the discussion wasn't "whether they work or not". He asked about Reeflux bulbs and I merely pointed out the PAR testing on those bulbs are very low. There are simply better choices available.

Some, including superddoc, may disagree with me.

 

[BreadmanMike]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14260216#post14260216 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by grigsy
Your tank looks nice.

But, the discussion wasn't "whether they work or not". He asked about Reeflux bulbs and I merely pointed out the PAR testing on those bulbs are very low. There are simply better choices available.

Some, including superddoc, may disagree with me.

That's not my tank homie. That's Jeremy's tank. I don't like the 12k Reeflux.

 

[stanlalee]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14259802#post14259802 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by BreadmanMike
Look at the growth of Jeremy's tank with 250w 12k Reeflux. I'm not a fan of them as they look too white for me, but the results are pretty good on this tank.

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1313678

well there's always some who gets good results and is happy (with that tanks maturity, husbandry and reflectors I dont think he'd have bad results regardless of bulb). overall though I've heard a disproportionate amount of complaints of them looking dim and people not impressed.

 

[stony_corals]

While it's important to understand what a bulb/ballast combo will give you in terms of PAR, it's leaves out a key variable in reef lighting: reflectors. Reflectors, IMHO, are the most important component in lighting. Many people have shown that the reeflux work well. Sanjay's readings are good in that they isolate how different bulbs burn on different ballasts and takes the reflector out of the equation. Given that a totm is getting 1200 PAR off LB, reeflux 12k, and cv 400w ballasts under the water, speaks to the merit of good reflectors and really illustrates that a PAR number doesn't mean much without a reading including a reflector.

 

[BreadmanMike]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14261815#post14261815 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by stony_corals
While it's important to understand what a bulb/ballast combo will give you in terms of PAR, it's leaves out a key variable in reef lighting: reflectors. Reflectors, IMHO, are the most important component in lighting. Many people have shown that the reeflux work well. Sanjay's readings are good in that they isolate how different bulbs burn on different ballasts and takes the reflector out of the equation. Given that a totm is getting 1200 PAR off LB, reeflux 12k, and cv 400w ballasts under the water, speaks to the merit of good reflectors and really illustrates that a PAR number doesn't mean much without a reading including a reflector.

I think you hit it on the head.

grigsy,
I hope you don't feel like I was tyring to pick a fight. That was not my intention.

 

[gaetanocallista]

I used for the first time reeflux 250 12K.
The first impression was negative for bright. Previous bulbs were Ushio and AB all more bright then reeflux. Moreover the color is not natural and pink and sky-blue are less enhanced.
However I am satisfied of "a crisp white with a hint of blue"

 

[Insainoreefer]

At first I loved My 400w reeflux 12k. They were bright white with a large dose of blue. As they burned in, They turned less blue and more towards the white side. To me they weren't all I'd hoped for.

About 4-5 months in, I had one bulb change to a yellowish color. I tried calling coralvue direct and hoped to talk to a real person but only got an answering machine. To make a long story short, after 2 weeks and somewhere between 4-6 messages later with no return on any of my calls, I decided that I wouldn't give my endorsement to a manufacturer that didn't stand by their product. They could've at least returned my call and told me no!

 

[BigJay]

I use three 250 watt reeflux 12K on lumenmax reflectors, much like the tank above. I'm fairly happy with them, but I really only have a comparison to XM bulbs (15K and 20K) on my tank, and I hated both of those.

The reeflux PAR was measured with my quantum meter, and it varies between 200 and 250 on the sand bed and 700-800 on the surface. My tank is a standard 6X2X2 180 gallon. The bulbs are 7-8" off the surface in Lumenmax reflectors. The numbers don't lie, these bulbs don't "suck".

That being said, I'll probably switch to phoenix 14K this summer for a bit more blue in the tank. It's a matter of personal appeal, whether you prefer more "white" or "blue" in the light color. I'm leaning more towards the latter.

 

[ronz]

Geez I think I'm even more confused now than I was before! I was selling XM but was thinking of switching. I have a local guy I can get the Reeflux from and that always makes things easier for me as a LFS if there are problems with the product. Unless I hear more positive comments I think I'll stick with the XM's.......or.........I did hear Phoenix is coming out with SE bulbs and if so that is certainly looking into!!!

If anyone else wishes to chime in on this discussion I am all ears,er, eyes!

Thanks for the input people!

 

[grigsy]

lol, sorry, didnt intend to confuse you Ronz. Do what you think is best for your company.

BreadmanMike - I didnt feel like you were picking a fight. Just healthy reef discussion. Happy reefing.

 

[LunarDDS]

They have a fairly good reputation. I run them and have seen greatly increased growth and coloration. This is a little skewed because I added the lumenbrights when I changed from the xm 10k to the reeflux. We can argue all day about par numbers but results are results. There are several people on Rc that are having good results with them. There are probably better but these are definitely an adequate choice.

I've seen the numbers on these and as long as you don't have to buy a ton to get them in the store I would do it. Having chioces is a good thing for your customers.