refractometer vs hydrometer

polywise

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I regularly use a refractometer, since 2003, and check the calibration of it with solution about every month - with a tweak here and there once in a while. Generally it has been stable.

I've been having SPS die off issues over the past few months, and it is becoming very frustrating to solve why. My parameters are within my target control ranges.

Using the refractometer - I have been trying to lower my SG from what I felt was 1.0265 to 1.024 to see if this would possibly improve the situation.

Today while going through boxes of hobby related stuff, I came across a hydrometer that I had used back in the late 90's. Tested it in the water and it floats to a 1.026 level.

Dilemma: which one would you think to be most accurate?
 
I use hydrometer . As long as you rinse them out after each use they will remain as accurate as day one.. Just know that they may off a bit out of the box.. Mine will say .027 when its .o25 .. I know this and adjust ...

Refractometers are to much work in my opinion.. I have one but never use it
 
Typically a refracto will be most accurate, and hydro's can vary w/ temps as well as just varying out of box.
Occasionally someone will chime in w/ using a lab/medical grade hydro, but typically not what we are talking about here.

A calibrated refracto will be most accurate in most cases.

I doubt lowering your sg to 1.024 will change your results in a positive way for sps, 1.026 is pretty much the standard.
 
issue here is my calibrated refractometer reads 1.024
and my vintage 1990's floating glass hydrometer is reading 1.026

which one to believe?
 
Average the 2 out? Lol
I use a hydro also..as far as I know.. it's accurate... when I check the water in the bag from the lfs... my hydro always reads what they told me their salt was

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Believe the calibrated instrument if you are sure its calibrated correctly. My Hydro though is always dead ob with my Apex reading so really as long as what is used is clean and well maintained, should be GTG.
 
Whatever you decide to use, just keep it calibrated and the salinity in the tank stable. I wouldn't think you would lose any sps due to the salt being at 1.024 or 1.026. Stability is key.
 
Accuracy versus precision. Hydrometer's typically aren't accurate but they are precise. If you must use one, figure out what the error is and adjust the reading for that error each time.
 
Accuracy versus precision. Hydrometer's typically aren't accurate but they are precise. If you must use one, figure out what the error is and adjust the reading for that error each time.

Well now I need to know the difference between accurate and precise haha
 
my fear is that when I thought is was keeping the SG was on the high side of 1.0265 it might have actually been 1.028 or a tick higher -- and that's high for SPS
 
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Tropic Marin Glass Hydrometer is my choice. There was another brand on the market years ago that was not that accurate. I do not like the plastic swing arms.
 

This.

We need to focus on two things in this discussion. First, the difference between accuracy and precision. Depending on the exact model of each type of instrument, it's likely that refractometers are slightly more precise than hydrometers. However, it's also probably the case that most hobby grade hydrometers are still more than precise enough for our hobby.

Think of accuracy as how close a measurement is to the real value, and precision as the resolution of the measurement. Most quality hobby grade instruments of either type are precise to three decimal places, which is arguably plenty for our hobby. So, precision isn't an issue. I like that target diagram, but it's a bit misleading in terms of portraying precision. Instead of showing a larger scatter, it should show the target zoomed out so far that you can't tell how large the scatter is. Precision doesn't imply a large scatter, it just implies a lack of resolution fine enough to know what the scatter is.

That brings up the second point. Accuracy, and the role of calibration. If you think of accuracy only as immediate repeatability, you're missing out on the role of calibration. Calibration allows you to adjust for consistently incorrect accuracy. If an instrument has a big variation in the measurements (or a lack of resolution) then calibration won't help. If an instrument is consistently wrong within the realm of its precision, you need to calibrate it.

Understanding calibration brings up another point. Understanding overall use and care of an instrument. A highly precise instrument is useless if it isn't calibrated and if it isn't used correctly. Most use and calibration mistakes introduce consistent bias (the number is always skewed in the same direction) which is a very bad thing since it introduces a false sense of confidence. You get good repeatability and a precise output, so you feel good about the reading.

How does this apply to measuring seawater? Hobby grade refractometers have use procedures that are often ignored (the common ATC units require you to leave the sample on the prism for 45 seconds before 5ak8ng a reading. How many of you do that?) They're often not calibrated consistently, and they're highly prone to drift over time. Somehow, they've earned a reputation as "better" and I wonder if this is because of the perception of precision and/or just because they're fancier and more expensive.

Hydrometers, on the other hand, are usually very consistent over time. It's telling that even fancy expensive hydrometers can't be calibrated - because they just don't drift over time. Yes, some hobby grade units come wrong out of the box, but they will pretty be consistently wrong forever, which IMHO is preferable to an instrument that drifts and is never correctly calibrated.

If you're not going to use a refractoneter correctly and calibrate it every single time you use it, you shouldn't own one.

Pick the style of instrument you like the most. Both are perfectly acceptable. Just be sure you understand how to use and calibrate it, and if in doubt (as with the OP above) test against calibration fluid from another source or against another instrument that is known good and calibrated.
 
I regularly use a refractometer, since 2003, and check the calibration of it with solution about every month - with a tweak here and there once in a while. Generally it has been stable.

I've been having SPS die off issues over the past few months, and it is becoming very frustrating to solve why. My parameters are within my target control ranges.

Using the refractometer - I have been trying to lower my SG from what I felt was 1.0265 to 1.024 to see if this would possibly improve the situation.

Today while going through boxes of hobby related stuff, I came across a hydrometer that I had used back in the late 90's. Tested it in the water and it floats to a 1.026 level.

Dilemma: which one would you think to be most accurate?

hydrometer - uses archimedes' principle to determine specific gravity (exact definition of specific gravity as per archimedes).
refractrometer - uses light refraction to approximate specific gravity.

I'd go with the hydrometer. Last I checked, archimedes' principle has stood the test of time.
 
hydrometer - uses archimedes' principle to determine specific gravity (exact definition of specific gravity as per archimedes).
refractrometer - uses light refraction to approximate specific gravity.

I'd go with the hydrometer. Last I checked, archimedes' principle has stood the test of time.

Agreed if you are using a lab grade glass floating hydrometer, but most of the hobby grade hydrometers are not worth the plastic they are made from and the hydrometers must be cleaned well after use. I would recommend the refractometer calibrated every time you use it.
 
Calibrated Refractometer Or digital only
Plastic only last 6 months then the float will give inaccurate readings.
Last one I test for a friend said 1.025 when in fact it was 1.042 by the refractometer
It was only 6 months old.
They are usuall ok out of the box but lose there accuracy quick....beware
 
I use a refractometer primarily because it can be calibrated. I also do not pay ANY attention to SG but just look at PPT and aim for 35, which is also the sg of the calibration fluid. I find that if looking at SG, even with a refractometer I will get a different reading if I wait 30 seconds to allow for temperature adjustment, i.e. the water and refractometer at the same temp
 
off subject.. but like another posted, it is probably not salinity of .002 causing your issue. I had similar, and took me 5 years to figure out my tap water was burning through my carts in my rodi (in weeks or days it seemed once I figured out the issue). I have chloramine in the tap, and it burned through double chloramine carts undetected b./c it happened so fast. Somehow it passed through the RO and the DI. Hitting the tank before the DI even had a chance to read '1'. Maybe that's your issue also. It's the issue of quite a few people actually with big city tap water.
 
Hydrometer read different at different temp. If it's the type with the floating indicator anything on the float will influence the read . Refractometers and better if properly calibrated.


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