Regal Angel Primer

I have a 3 inch Philippine regal in a 25 gallon (for now) and he does fine. But that tank has a lot of rocks in it.
The other Philippine is in a 40B, also lots of rocks and he does fine too.
Since these two were of equal size when I got them the dominant started attacking the submissive while I had them together in the 42 CAD light that now houses my 3 yellow bellies (as QT). My goal was to get one (the dominant) to grow more than the other (the submissive) before pairing them up again.

Larger specimen need of course larger tanks. A 100 gallon is probably the lower limit for 6"+ pairs.

For fully grown adult pairs (foot longs) I would want a tank of no less than 500 gallon with plenty of rock structures with lots of caves, crevices and canyons.

The ideal tank size is probably 1000 gallon or more, but it doesn't mean that they can't get along in much smaller tanks for years.

It seems that the growth of regal angel is controlled by their environment and social pressure. So a smaller tank may stun their growth while a large and especially tall tank may promote (or be required for) their growth. This would kind of coincide with the low growth rates many observe with their regals in 100 to 300 gallon tanks.

As for the eating issue:
I found that regals who spend the least time in barren holding tanks do the best. Also small individuals around 3" seem to do better and are less fickle than larger specimen. They seem less specialized in their feeding habits.

The statement that Red Sea regals are doing better than all others is a pure myth IMO. All they have going for them are the slightly more vibrant colors.
I had no issues with Philippine or other Pacific regals either.
So far I actually found the Pacific bluebellies to show more personality.

My DD regal was eating in short order. These fish are all individuals and react as such regardless of who sells them. The one thing I can count on when buying from DD, is that the only disease that came from them is ich.

I can confirm their individuality. Some are laid back and easy going while others are outright divas that rather go on a hunger strike then change their ways easily. The larger they are the more individuality they show.
Having two (or more) together may also help to entice them to eat as long as at least one of them eats.
 
Little update on my 3 yellow belly regals after having them together in a 42 gallon tank for a week.

The two new little guys are getting along pretty well and eat like hungry damsel fish whenever I put food into the tank. So far it seems they can only eat a relatively small amount at a time (compared to my by now fat Philippine regals), but I can feed them every 30 minutes and they will eat as much as they can.
The much larger Red Sea regal tolerates them and only sometimes shushes them out when they venture into his cave.

The Red Sea is still not taking any food (or even look at it). It has now gone 4 weeks without eating (unless it eats secretly when I'm not watching)
When it comes out it just swims a round trough the tank and then "œcrawls" back into its hole.
I would say this fish acts like it has a clinical depression.
Maybe I need to get an antidepressant for it...
 
Have anyone observed breeding behavior on Regal pairs? Or at least have them paired? I mean not just tolerating each other but showing some interactions. I've been reading Karen and Rufus' breeding projects and wondering if all angels will spawn readily in captivity if conditions are met.

Mine is a 5" specimen and it's a female. Seem to be gravid base on belly size I wonder if I should get a male. But I don't have the tank nor know how to get their paired up either.
 
Have anyone observed breeding behavior on Regal pairs? Or at least have them paired? I mean not just tolerating each other but showing some interactions. I've been reading Karen and Rufus' breeding projects and wondering if all angels will spawn readily in captivity if conditions are met.

Mine is a 5" specimen and it's a female. Seem to be gravid base on belly size I wonder if I should get a male. But I don't have the tank nor know how to get their paired up either.
IF you could find a 'mate' and they did spawn, do you expect to raise them?
 
I had a pair from the early 90s to 2003, but both individuals were immature adults.
Mature regals are usually over 6 in and have well developed gill thorns. Males' gill thorns are massive and twice as long as females'.
I know of someone in Germany who had regal pairs since the early 2000s (angel and butterfly fish were banned from sale in Germany between 1987 and 1997, which only boosted sales in the neighboring Netherlands).

I put my pairs together from juveniles or immature adults as mature adults are usually harder to get to eat.
But making pairs with adult regals should be easy as mature adults can be sexed easily. Though it may still be best to start with juveniles and let them grow up together.

The issue with breeding them is that regals probably need to be at least 7 to 8 in to start spawning, and they will need a seriously large and tall tank. But otherwise I don't expect it to be a serious issue.
I also don't expect raising the larva to be much different form other angel fish that have already been done. They are closest related to the Holacanthus species which are already regularly bred (H. clarionensis, H. passer).
 
Obtaining adults is no problem at all. I've seen them by the hundreds at wholesalers and even most specimen you see in stores are rather on the large size.
Pairing them shouldn't be a problem either.
Getting them to eat might be an issue.
The real problem is the large and especially tall enough tank - we are talking about something you may find in public aquariums, not their little tanks but rather their centerpiece tank.

From what I know Bali Aquarich doesn't have their spawning pairs in tanks, but rather in a large outdoor pond or lagoon. From there they harvest all the larva they find and sort out the species they actually want to raise.
 
Regal Angel Primer

But Karen seems to be breeding bandits in smallish aquariums. Are different Angels have such a big difference on breeding requirements?
 
Regal Angel Primer

Just a few pics. I guess I like fish with stripes.

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But Karen seems to be breeding bandits in smallish aquariums. Are different Angels have such a big difference on breeding requirements?

Have you seen her broodstock tank? I haven't, so I don't know what she uses.

Bandids, Apolemichthys arcuatus, are a smaller species which maxes out at 7 inch and is likely mature at 4 to 5 inch. Pygoplites diacanthus maxes out at about 10 inch and matures at around 6 to 8 inch. that size difference can make quite a difference.

I know that they are using large round tanks for the yellow tangs that they breed on Hawai'i. Those look like they are taller than a person, maybe 7 to 8 ft.

I would consider the absolute minimum height for mature but not fully grown regals to spawn 3 ft, but that's just a wild guess that would need to be confirmed in experiment.

Just a few pics. I guess I like fish with stripes.

Nice color, but seems a bit thin to me. How long do you have it?
 
Nice color, but seems a bit thin to me. How long do you have it?

Yes she is a little thin. I have had her for 10 months and she has been a tough nut to crack. Eats little and stays in her cave most of the time. Had to feed as often as possible because she eats little each time and she does not like to eat after 5pm. You get the idea. Over the last 3 weeks she completely changed. Now swims around and begs for food. She has been gaining weight.
 
My two new Sumatra yellow bellies have learned the begging part within a week. As soon as they see me they are out at the glass, look at me and expecting food.

And this is how it looks when they get their 3rd feeding (!) within 15 minutes:

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The Red Sea regal didn't show for this feeding. It still hasn't eaten yet but at least comes out more now.

BTW: the larger marine betta is wild, but will eat out of my hand.

This is the dominant Philippine regal

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Only the Gramma male didn't show up - he may be sitting on a nest, or didn't like the lights being cranked up.

And this is the 2. Philippine regal:

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Both Philippine regals have gotten quite fat by now. When I got them they were scary thin.
 
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It's now a month and the Red Sea regal is still not eating. By now there are also signs that it is losing weight.
There is also rather a deterioration in behavior than an improvement. It seems like it has no energy and no interest on anything.

I'm getting worried that this fish is not going to make it.

The little Sumatra regals on the other hand are eating well and pretty active.
 
It's now a month and the Red Sea regal is still not eating. By now there are also signs that it is losing weight.
There is also rather a deterioration in behavior than an improvement. It seems like it has no energy and no interest on anything.

I'm getting worried that this fish is not going to make it.

The little Sumatra regals on the other hand are eating well and pretty active.

Do you think the other two are out competing it for food?
 
Do you think the other two are out competing it for food?

No, it just doesn't show any interest in food. It was like that even before I added the little ones.

Here is a video from this morning, showing how they all act:
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The little ones are still dealing with Lymphocystis (likely from the copper treatments they got at the exporter and store) but act normal.

The Red Sea acts like it is sleep walking or on a heavy dose of downers.
 
I sent the video to LA and they think now it is a swim bladder issue.
Their suggestion of feeding it boiled peas will of course not work as the fish isn't eating at all :debi:
 
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