I was at rods barn in decalb about 3yrs ago. he had about 5 onyx breeding pairs and one tomatoe or cinn clown pair. if he did loose his mama he'll be all right with his back up pairs. i did not fully inspect the other pairs ( as they where where 6 ft high, but they looked beautiful from what i remember. c-quest, rod, wc png/si are all good to me. I love the look of onyx!! as long as they are not flat faced.