Shark egg
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0racle said:
you dont seem to want the advice you asked for originally. First off, there should be NO live rock in a tank with a shark. They have very very fragile skin and can tear themselves up. A tank with live rock and some inverts = a reef tank. While it may not be a full blow reef it is still a reef. Who made the assumption... it wasnt the people trying to help. Next, if you do manage to hatch it and keep it alive it will out grow the 135 that grew to a 150. While u do say you have plans for a larger tank... plans are not a tank. Why not wait until you actually have the adequate space and get a shark then. I know many people who have plans for a larger tank in the near future. Very few actually have their plans realized
You say that the 500 is going to be a predator tank. I hope you arent putting groupers, tangs, angels, puffers, or triggers in there. Oh or wrasses. Sharks need their own system. If you can't handle that then they need tankmates that are extremely docile. Just because sharks eat fish doesn't mean they are aggressive.
Heres a hint. A bit o f good news i suppose... dont waste your money on silversides all year long. Asian markets sell smelt, which are 5 inch long sardine like fish, for a reasonable price.
You may not like the advice but it is the truth... you asked for help not one sided cheers.
Kogo
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oracle,
over the years i have hatched two bamboo sharks and bought one already hatched.
my personal opinion is that hatching your own is preferable because eggs seem to suffer, in shipping, less than hatched juviniles.
they are a difficult fish to keep because they die easily, so treat them as you would an angel or other sensitive fish (as far as water quality) i would recomend a fairly empty tank with smooth places to hide (make sure they cant get trapped) and a quality refugium with live rock and macro to preserve water quality.
for feeding they like smelly meat like squid,
also, in my area i can catch ghost shrimp and small crayfish in the summer months to mix the diet up. DONT OVER FEED they just grow faster and poop more. the idea is to keep them thick but not fat... they should eagerly acept food when offered...if not they are over fed.
water quality and stability are essential and they can be long lived aquarium specimines...the Belle Isle Aquarium in Detroit has even observed them laying eggs in the aquarium and i believe they even have hatched one of the ones laid there as well.
my personal experiance with them, as well as others i have spoken with over the years, has been mixed.
the first shark i hatched lived for one year (early 90's) in a 55 mixed FOWLR with dolimite gravel then transfered to a 125 FOWLR for one year before i sold it when i moved cross country for work. i believe he was somewhere around 10- 12 inches after two years. the second shark i hatched when the first was one year old and i put them both in the 125. i was impatient and opened the egg to early and the shark still had a yoke sack dragging under him (DONT GET IMPATIENT) but he lived anyway and soon began to feed. the problem however was that the larger shark was very combative and after about 3-4 months the smaller shark died. the third shark was perchased years latter already hatched and 6-7 inches long and lived for 8 months before it died for unknown reasons.
this is my honest non emotionaly / flaming experiance so glean what you wish. bamboo sharks can be kept well but they are difficult.
and as always if we realy and truly want to see whats best for our fish we would leave them in the ocean, preserve their enviornment, and not keep aquariums at all....of course nun of us here want to do that... now do we!
over the years i have hatched two bamboo sharks and bought one already hatched.
my personal opinion is that hatching your own is preferable because eggs seem to suffer, in shipping, less than hatched juviniles.
they are a difficult fish to keep because they die easily, so treat them as you would an angel or other sensitive fish (as far as water quality) i would recomend a fairly empty tank with smooth places to hide (make sure they cant get trapped) and a quality refugium with live rock and macro to preserve water quality.
for feeding they like smelly meat like squid,
also, in my area i can catch ghost shrimp and small crayfish in the summer months to mix the diet up. DONT OVER FEED they just grow faster and poop more. the idea is to keep them thick but not fat... they should eagerly acept food when offered...if not they are over fed.
water quality and stability are essential and they can be long lived aquarium specimines...the Belle Isle Aquarium in Detroit has even observed them laying eggs in the aquarium and i believe they even have hatched one of the ones laid there as well.
my personal experiance with them, as well as others i have spoken with over the years, has been mixed.
the first shark i hatched lived for one year (early 90's) in a 55 mixed FOWLR with dolimite gravel then transfered to a 125 FOWLR for one year before i sold it when i moved cross country for work. i believe he was somewhere around 10- 12 inches after two years. the second shark i hatched when the first was one year old and i put them both in the 125. i was impatient and opened the egg to early and the shark still had a yoke sack dragging under him (DONT GET IMPATIENT) but he lived anyway and soon began to feed. the problem however was that the larger shark was very combative and after about 3-4 months the smaller shark died. the third shark was perchased years latter already hatched and 6-7 inches long and lived for 8 months before it died for unknown reasons.
this is my honest non emotionaly / flaming experiance so glean what you wish. bamboo sharks can be kept well but they are difficult.
and as always if we realy and truly want to see whats best for our fish we would leave them in the ocean, preserve their enviornment, and not keep aquariums at all....of course nun of us here want to do that... now do we!
i work at a lfs. We raise them often, and we get live sharks in as well. If you dont want advice dont' ask for it. You just dont want to hear the truth. I dont have a shark personally because i dont think that there are home aquariums truely large enough to contain them comfortable. Atleast a 4foot by 4 foot base is a bare minimum. I'd really like a 6x6 or a shark pool. thats the truth. Either deal with it respectfully or dont ask for it.
Kogo
In Memoriam
if i remember correctly the original question was if anyone had experiance keeping them and what their experiance was...not neccasarily a request for advice and moral opnion / indignation...those who interject themself to give condescending "advice" (aka opinion) should first of all not assume everyone agrees with them, and second deal with dissagreement respectfully or dont post!
now cant we all just get along?
now cant we all just get along?
delv
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I think the salient question was what was "taboo" about keeping such a "common fish"...I think that has been adressed adequately.
Anyway, what kind of skimmer are you going to run on 150 gallon? I think you'll have an opportunity to run a huge skimmer intitially that is really intended for your eventual larger tank...Running a MyReef triple beckett (or something similar) will also ensure the 150 gallon provides the best environment possiible...I'd still much rather have the same tank with a large angel, trigger, school of anthias, and some decent live rock. But since it's your tank (you sophomorically reminded us of that...lol) enjoy it...I'm sure it'll be fun.....enjoy!
d.
Anyway, what kind of skimmer are you going to run on 150 gallon? I think you'll have an opportunity to run a huge skimmer intitially that is really intended for your eventual larger tank...Running a MyReef triple beckett (or something similar) will also ensure the 150 gallon provides the best environment possiible...I'd still much rather have the same tank with a large angel, trigger, school of anthias, and some decent live rock. But since it's your tank (you sophomorically reminded us of that...lol) enjoy it...I'm sure it'll be fun.....enjoy!
d.
Thank you everyone......
Skimmer...diy 6' tall 8"round.
I also agree this ISNT a moral conversation.So i dont need any advice in that department.
The big tank will most certainly have a large enough area.it's not for display...its to raise fish.
Electrical will not be a problem.
Thanks Kogo.
PS working in a lfs doesnt make you a breeder.or an expert at raising sharks.HANDS ON EXPERIENCE will.
Skimmer...diy 6' tall 8"round.
I also agree this ISNT a moral conversation.So i dont need any advice in that department.
The big tank will most certainly have a large enough area.it's not for display...its to raise fish.
Electrical will not be a problem.
Thanks Kogo.
PS working in a lfs doesnt make you a breeder.or an expert at raising sharks.HANDS ON EXPERIENCE will.
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smoke15
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Well, if you want me to add to your shark discussion.You are a dumb butt for getting a shark. I have a 240 gallon tank, and would never get a shark. However, I have no experiance in owning one so it's just my opinion.
P.s......good job in correcting your work, see and they say you don't listen.
P.s......good job in correcting your work, see and they say you don't listen.
Haha - ask a question, don't like the answers, decide to end the discussion.
My honest opinion is:
Yes you can keep the shark, your tank plans are reasonable for the first three to four years.
The feeding tips you've received are some good advice. I would try to use live food as much as possible - less problems with water quality from live food in my experience.
Have you consulted the Scott Michael book on rays and sharks? I don't own a copy but I remember doing some reading when I considered getting one a while ago. There are good resources out there on keeping this animal that won't result in the flaming you are going to hear from people on RC.
The best advice I can offer is minimize the activity in the area around the tank. I would suggest that it be placed in a low traffic area with the side panels covered so that the shark can have some space where it doesn't see the movement around the tank.
JMO,
Steve
My honest opinion is:
Yes you can keep the shark, your tank plans are reasonable for the first three to four years.
The feeding tips you've received are some good advice. I would try to use live food as much as possible - less problems with water quality from live food in my experience.
Have you consulted the Scott Michael book on rays and sharks? I don't own a copy but I remember doing some reading when I considered getting one a while ago. There are good resources out there on keeping this animal that won't result in the flaming you are going to hear from people on RC.
The best advice I can offer is minimize the activity in the area around the tank. I would suggest that it be placed in a low traffic area with the side panels covered so that the shark can have some space where it doesn't see the movement around the tank.
JMO,
Steve
Be sure to not let any air get inside the egg case. You can expell that by squeezing the sides VERY gently.
When it's born remove the egg case from the tank. For some reason the babies like to nuzzle against the egg sack and will get their noses caught up in the 'fur' on the outside.
Ok I dont know if it's really fur or not but it's fuzzy and they get tangled in it easily. If they do just gently remove it.
"They have very very fragile skin and can tear themselves up..."
If they are so tender why do they make boots out of shark skin? Have you ever touched one of those little buggers? They arent 'fragile' skinned at all.
Good Luck. Hope you can keep him long term. Personally I like Epaulette sharks best even though they get bigger. They have SO much personality and are much less apt to bite.
Shark bites hurt - even from little sharks.
When it's born remove the egg case from the tank. For some reason the babies like to nuzzle against the egg sack and will get their noses caught up in the 'fur' on the outside.
Ok I dont know if it's really fur or not but it's fuzzy and they get tangled in it easily. If they do just gently remove it.
"They have very very fragile skin and can tear themselves up..."
If they are so tender why do they make boots out of shark skin? Have you ever touched one of those little buggers? They arent 'fragile' skinned at all.
Good Luck. Hope you can keep him long term. Personally I like Epaulette sharks best even though they get bigger. They have SO much personality and are much less apt to bite.
Shark bites hurt - even from little sharks.
